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the_fat_man 09-07-2010 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 693244)
My opinion of him is this.... From day 1 they wanted to go long with him. Repole was on Capital Otb Monday, I believe him. Everything he is doing now is on raw talent. Its likely one more race then BC. When he comes back sometime in Jan-Feb thats when I think we see the new horse. I could be wrong, but I just think there is a world of talent bottled up in this guy.
Let me get this straight: they want to go longer with him but he's still 'fast' enough to be the pacesetter yesterday, and his maiden win. Of course, he didn't really run that fast the 1st split yesterday and the winner was wider and won in hand (real easy). So, it's not like cutting the pace really worked against him. Now, how exactly is going longer supposed to improve this horse?

I know::rolleyes:

once they get him down to GP, he can wire going longer.

GPK 09-07-2010 01:03 PM
I don't see how Lezcano is incompetent. The guy had a tough meet on the win end. You don't win at an 18% clip at the premier winter meet, against the very same jocks, by being incompetent.

dalakhani 09-07-2010 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 693277)
I don't see how Lezcano is incompetent. The guy had a tough meet on the win end. You don't win at an 18% clip at the premier winter meet, against the very same jocks, by being incompetent.
I agree. He is a fine young rider that just had a bad meet.

iamthelurker 09-07-2010 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 693098)
We really need to put the notion that Lezcano is a competent jock to rest, once and for all.
+100

iamthelurker 09-07-2010 02:40 PM
I can name 15 other riders who get Fly Down to switch leads and get up to win the Travers.

RockHardTen1985 09-07-2010 02:45 PM
Not that I disagree, but please name all 15. I can name 10 that are simply better then him, maybe even 15.

Siena 16 09-07-2010 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 693289)
I can name 15 other riders who get Fly Down to switch leads and get up to win the Travers.
Lezcano will be riding at Lone Star within two years.

RockHardTen1985 09-07-2010 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Siena 16 (Post 693292)
Lezcano will be riding at Lone Star within two years.

HARSH

Coach Pants 09-07-2010 03:02 PM
I could see him riding the FL circuit full time.

RockHardTen1985 09-07-2010 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 693296)
I could see him riding the FL circuit full time.
He could be a Calder legend.

MaTH716 09-07-2010 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 693298)
He could be a Calder legend.
Coach was talkin about Finger lakes..................

RockHardTen1985 09-07-2010 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 693299)
Coach was talkin about Finger lakes..................
He would do OK there also.

Cannon Shell 09-07-2010 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 693289)
I can name 15 other riders who get Fly Down to switch leads and get up to win the Travers.
When 3 yo's in 1 1/4 Grade 1 races don't switch leads I would tend to think that the jockey probably isn't the issue.

iamthelurker 09-07-2010 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 693323)
When 3 yo's in 1 1/4 Grade 1 races don't switch leads I would tend to think that the jockey probably isn't the issue.
When you get beat a nose it is.

Cannon Shell 09-07-2010 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 693325)
When you get beat a nose it is.
Why do you think the horses didn't switch?

iamthelurker 09-07-2010 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 693290)
Not that I disagree, but please name all 15. I can name 10 that are simply better then him, maybe even 15.
JV
Ramon
Lep
Gomez
Sleepy
Prado
Cornelio
S. Bridgmohan
Rosario
Bejarano
Pval
V. Espinoza
Martin Garcia
David Flores
Albarado

plenty more too but thats 15.

iamthelurker 09-07-2010 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 693327)
Why do you think the horses didn't switch?
He didnt even try to make him switch buddy.

the_fat_man 09-07-2010 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 693323)
When 3 yo's in 1 1/4 Grade 1 races don't switch leads I would tend to think that the jockey probably isn't the issue.
You'd probably be right if this were the occasional thing with Lezcano. But if you watch his rides up at SAR you find a common theme: can't keep horses on righty lead in the stretch.

His masterpiece was on Stevil, the other day. I counted at least FIVE lead changes in the lane.

In other words, Lezcano SUCKS when it comes to handling horses -- in general and especially under pressure.

Cannon Shell 09-07-2010 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 693330)
He didnt even try to make him switch buddy.
There are two primary reasons why a horse wont switch leads. One is they are green and can become distracted. The other is physical. Perhaps the horse didn't switch because he was already on his more comfortable lead? Horses running in the Travers shouldn't need the jockey to "ask" him to change leads. And how do you know he didn't "ask" him? Did you see him fail to hit the change leads button?

RockHardTen1985 09-07-2010 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 693328)
JV
Ramon
Lep
Gomez
Sleepy
Prado
Cornelio
S. Bridgmohan
Rosario
Bejarano
Pval
V. Espinoza
Martin Garcia
David Flores
Albarado

plenty more too but thats 15.

Who is sleepy?


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