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RockHardTen1985 09-03-2010 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 691650)
Convocation won't win.


CAN'T

CSC 09-03-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 691654)
Is it really cracks or was it more of Johnny V letting him loaf in the lane and get nipped at the wire? I think they learned a hard lesson last time and it won't happen again.

Maybe, I understand not taking on a big favorite for the sake of taking on a favorite, however if I were singling him I would not be comfortable with the Pletcher rush back, considering how sporadic QR has run in his career. Pletch usually likes to space his races out. I wonder had he won the Whitney, would he even be in here, nevertheless this isn't GP or Belmont, it's a good opportunity in my opinion. Jerkins/Pletch exacta. How ironic would this be?

Alan07 09-03-2010 10:48 AM

How are these handicaps?

RockHardTen1985 09-03-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 691654)
Is it really cracks or was it more of Johnny V letting him loaf in the lane and get nipped at the wire? I think they learned a hard lesson last time and it won't happen again.

That 111 beyer and a nose second still kills these. Who is jumping up running a 110 or higher?

the_fat_man 09-03-2010 10:51 AM

With the results so far in some of these stakes, I'm thinking that if QR doesn't win, Pletcher will turn in his SUPPLIER to the FEDS. :rolleyes:

CSC 09-03-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 691660)
That 111 beyer and a nose second still kills these. Who is jumping up running a 110 or higher?

Obviously QR can win, but that would lead to virtually no discussion on this thread. When he showed up in the entries for this race, I'm sure alot of race fans were shocked given his history of light racing. If you would have asked me last month where he was headed next, I would have said 1-9 they would have pointed for the JCGC. I don't like this pattern, I guess we will just have to wait and see if anyone can jump up and give him a race.

RockHardTen1985 09-03-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691663)
Obviously QR can win, but that would lead to virtually no discussion on this thread. When he showed up in the entries for this race, I'm sure alot of race fans were shocked given his history of light racing. If you would have asked me last month where he was headed next, I would have said 1-9 they would have pointed for the JCGC. I don't like this pattern, I guess we will just have to wait and see if anyone can jump up and give him a race.


This has been the plan all along CSC. It was always Whitney-Woodward-BCC

Dahoss 09-03-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691663)
Obviously QR can win, but that would lead to virtually no discussion on this thread. When he showed up in the entries for this race, I'm sure alot of race fans were shocked given his history of light racing. If you would have asked me last month where he was headed next, I would have said 1-9 they would have pointed for the JCGC. I don't like this pattern, I guess we will just have to wait and see if anyone can jump up and give him a race.

Anyone that pays attention to stuff couldn't have been too surprised. Pletcher has been talking about running in the Whitney then the Woodward since before the Met Mile.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...et-mile-lineup

ateamstupid 09-03-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691663)
Obviously QR can win, but that would lead to virtually no discussion on this thread. When he showed up in the entries for this race, I'm sure alot of race fans were shocked given his history of light racing. If you would have asked me last month where he was headed next, I would have said 1-9 they would have pointed for the JCGC. I don't like this pattern, I guess we will just have to wait and see if anyone can jump up and give him a race.

If you paid attention to anything Pletcher has said about his schedule this year, you wouldn't have been shocked. This race was always on the agenda after the Whitney. He won't lose.

Alan07 09-03-2010 11:08 AM

I suppose to protect him from not getting crushed at 1 1/4 at Belmont.

RockHardTen1985 09-03-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 691669)
I suppose to protect him from not getting crushed at 1 1/4 at Belmont.

Did he get crushed last year in the JCGC?

the_fat_man 09-03-2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691663)
Obviously QR can win, but that would lead to virtually no discussion on this thread.

This horse has attained Pee VAL status. In other words, it's IRRELEVANT. Some of us had know previously but the Whitney made it clear, even to its most ardent supporters, that QR won't win the CLASSIC. QR has ZERO shot in the CLASSIC. Unless, of course, he's allowed to walk on the front end --- which won't happen. QR can beat as many plugs as one would want from now till the end of the year. But QR is not relevant as he's just not good enough when it comes to real horse distances.

We're sitting here debating whether Convocation can beat him. You know, the hanging, pick up the absolutely LAST pieces, Convocation.

If I were a trainer, any trainer, and I had a decent router, I'd take my best speed route horse and I'd run at QR early, then I'd have my better horse run at him late. This is a SURE recipe for success against QR. Doesn't work going 8F (on speed tracks) but it's MONEY at 9F and up. You'd think someone would actually implement this. I know that trainers of prior eras certainly would/did.

slotdirt 09-03-2010 11:35 AM

I get that Quality Road probably isn't winning the Classic, but the Woodward? He can't lose.

RockHardTen1985 09-03-2010 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 691687)
I get that Quality Road probably isn't winning the Classic, but the Woodward? He can't lose.

I had another dream, but I will keep it to myself this time.

randallscott35 09-03-2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 691687)
I get that Quality Road probably isn't winning the Classic, but the Woodward? He can't lose.

With a price to match.

clyde 09-03-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 691294)
I have no idea what you're talking about, but ok.

You don't know what anyone is talking about.

You don't even know what you are talking about.


Listen to your wuffie...it would help.

CSC 09-03-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 691667)
Anyone that pays attention to stuff couldn't have been too surprised. Pletcher has been talking about running in the Whitney then the Woodward since before the Met Mile.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...et-mile-lineup

I actually do recall Pletcher's plans for QR, call me sceptical if you want, but I didn't think he was serious of running QR 2x within a month and then go into the classic on almost 2 months works.

clyde 09-03-2010 01:17 PM

sceptical

septical

sal hippettical

hansel and grettical

hypothetical






You are floculating and don't even know it!

Coach Pants 09-03-2010 01:18 PM

Kanada

CSC 09-03-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 691677)
This horse has attained Pee VAL status. In other words, it's IRRELEVANT. Some of us had know previously but the Whitney made it clear, even to its most ardent supporters, that QR won't win the CLASSIC. QR has ZERO shot in the CLASSIC. Unless, of course, he's allowed to walk on the front end --- which won't happen. QR can beat as many plugs as one would want from now till the end of the year. But QR is not relevant as he's just not good enough when it comes to real horse distances.

We're sitting here debating whether Convocation can beat him. You know, the hanging, pick up the absolutely LAST pieces, Convocation.

If I were a trainer, any trainer, and I had a decent router, I'd take my best speed route horse and I'd run at QR early, then I'd have my better horse run at him late. This is a SURE recipe for success against QR. Doesn't work going 8F (on speed tracks) but it's MONEY at 9F and up. You'd think someone would actually implement this. I know that trainers of prior eras certainly would/did.

It's a win-win the way I see it, if he win big this weekend, I will be one that will be lining up to bet against him in the classic with this being his last prep. With his big beyers this horse will always be bet down, I don't see him being interesting as a betting proposition now or later this fall.


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