That's amazing! What an incredible talent you have for the hypothetical.

Hey ... where would Stevie Wonderboy have finished in the Kentucky Derby? How about Corinthian and High Cotton ... where would they have finished? And how about Folklore ... suppose she were healthy and D. Wayne decided to run her against the boys?

This is fascinating ... simply fascinating!

Please tell that to the American Racing Manual and the Daily Racing Form ...

... they've been reporting that Ruffian was 10 for 11.

If Dini beats older horses then he's the Champ in my eyes. So ole Barb ran some good races ok but Dini hasn't even been challanged in his last 3 or 4. Just because you win the Yum's Brand Derby doesn't mean you get the 3 year old HOY.

I think Barbaro will get some votes based on his performance on the track. Deservedly so. And I'll think he'll get some votes for his determination off the track, God willing he pulls through. Deservedley so.

I think his ordeal off the track merits consideration for Horse Of The Year Voting.

And I'm also old enough to know that there's nothing unusual or particularly overwhelming about being "upset" ...

... it's something that happens nearly all the time to nearly everyone ... and is particularly of less consequence when it's the result of someone else's horse snapping a leg ...

... so the more everyone gets used to experiencing inconsequential upsetedness ... and not letting it upset them ... the more comfortable their lives will be.

They are wrong, she was 10 for 10 in races she finished.

If Bernardini wins one of the big fall races, 3 yo honors should undoubtedly be his. How can anyone argue that?

Barbaro was an excellent horse but we arent talking could haves or should haves we are talking about "dids" when we are naming a champion. Bernardini, in my humble opinion may have already done more without beating older horses.

i am also talking about Bobby's will to live off the track. That, plus his on track performance deserves my support as #1.

If you say so ...

.. but please don't tell that to our fellow forum member ... Phalaris1913 ... because she's the editor of the American Racing Manual ...

... and she may be embarrassed to find out that she's been wrong all these years.

If you consider someone else's race horse snapping a leg to be one of "life's tragedies" ...

... then you've had a very charmed and/or sheltered life.

[quote=Bold Brooklynite] ... and is particularly of less consequence when it's the result of someone else's horse snapping a leg ...QUOTE]


what a disgusting comment. butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.

What's disgusting about believing that it's not one of "life's tragedies" ... when someone else's race horse snaps a leg?

Thoroughbred horses are very fragile animals ... and are susceptible to serious leg injuries at any given time. Do you seriously believe that it's one of "life's tragedies" when it happens?

my cat came home with a competely broken leg. it was my duty to have it mended by the vet. he did and Allie is having a ball. and now he stays inside.

Sure ... it's sad to see someone else's horse break a leg ... or someone else's dog run over by a car. But neither is a tragedy ...

... nor is working very hard to get what you desire ... in fact ... working hard to achieve your goals can be very satisfying.

1. I never criticized anyone for being upset about a horse snapping a leg ... I simply pointed out that nearly eveyone's life is a series of "upsets" ... and that particular upset was one of the less consequential ones among all the upsets someone could potentially face.

2. The loss of the dog may have indeed been a tragedy to the owner ... but it shouldn't be to someone who didn't own the dog ... or who wasn't particularly intimate with the owner.

3. Some things I'd describe as tragedies are ... 100 million innocent people being slaughtered by communist tyrants worldwide ... or 50 million innocent million people losing their lives in a war started by National Socialists and Japanese Imperialists ... or 3,000 innocent people being incinerated in their workplaces ... or learning that a loved one has cancer ... or seeing a loved one run over by a car ... or snapping a leg ... and ...

... and the Jimmy Carter administration.

Don't waste your time trying to argue with him... he's obviously had a silver spoon in his mouth for his entire life and wouldn't have the slightest inkling of what you were inferring to. I completely understand and consider what happened to Barbaro one of life's tragedies. Bold will never get it... it's not in him to have compassion for anything other than what "gets him off" at the moment.

But who are you to tell others what they should or shouldnt view as a tragedy? Thats the point that you miss. Maybe their experiences and feeliings are different than yours.

I tend to see things of this nature like you do. I didnt get sad over Barbaro and i really dont miss a step when a horse gets injured at the track. I wouldnt get upset about the neighbor's dog dying. But at the same time, I try to be respectful to the people who feel diffferently.

The only thing that gets me is that people think that Barbaro should be named champion because he got injured. If the neighbor's dog was killed and he was entered in a contest before he died, should he then automatically be named best in show?