I think you are absolutely correct. It serves as a smokescreen and diversion for his agenda and allows....like literally this crazy statement to be put out showing more concern for illegal's wages than upholding American laws.

http://www.thefoxnation.com/illegal-...ght-fair-wages

yeah but it was a ridiculous analogy

I find that to be an extremely far-fetched argument. Is it possible? Yes, it is certainly possible but it is extremely far-fetched in my view. This is not one of those cases where all publicity is good publicity. Bad publicity is bad publicity, period. And you are way off the mark if you think that it's only far-right wackos that have questions about where he was born.

Polls they have done show that a majority of Americans say he should release his birth certificate. If he doesn't release it, it just makes it look like he is hiding something. Nobody likes that. Everybody likes transparency.

I know that you guys know most of the facts of this case but most of the people out there that think this whole thing is a non-issue don't even know the facts. Most of those people think that his birth-ceritificate has already been released because that was what the mainstream media reported.

I don't take that as an insult because I'm sure you would think that any analogy that doesn't make a good case for gay marriage is a bad analogy.

Let's hear you come up with an analogy that would argue against gay marriage. That shouldn't be hard for you to do. I can always argue either side of an issue. You should be able to do it.

If you can't come up with one, then you will prove my case. My case being that you would think any analogy is bad that doesn't make a gay marriage ban look like a huge injustice.

Well, let's say that he's not an American, and that's what he's hiding.

If that's the case, this was the best plan in all of history -- and I mean ALL of history. To take a Black boy born in 1961, three years before the Civil Rights Act of 1964, come up with the awesome idea that this foreigner of color would 50 years later be able to infiltrate the United States government by passing as a citizen, and deciding that in lieu of any actual proof that they may need to show, they would put a congratulations to themselves in the paper just in case they needed an alibi 50 years later.

Mind you, this child then had to have the aptitude to go graduate law school, become an excellent public speaker, win elections....and they foresaw all of this 50 years in advance in a country where Blacks at the time still didn't even have full and equal rights.

Really?

How can such a wingnut theory be anything *but* a non-issue? Are you kidding me? If that's the case, the f*cking guy deserves to be President anyway because of the sheer amazing power of awesome that it took to hatch that plan over the course of 50 years, and the brilliance of his parents/keepers/masterminds who had the ability to choose the *one* child who would be able to fulfill this plan, and make a newspaper announcement about his birth to quell the inevitable questions five decades later.

Yes. You're right Rupert, the real fools in this situation are the ones who don't ask to see his birth certificate. You got us there, because they've made fools of us with the most awesome plan in the history of the universe. This is like the Trojan Horse on 50-year steroids. FFS.

that could be very well true.

I will say, your analogy was better than the "Bible" arguements that always follow the gay marriage debate.

Who are you arguing with? I don't know a single person in the world that thinks this was a vast conspiracy that started 50 years ago. Whoever said that?

I don't know the explanation for the newspaper announcement of his birth. Has it been authenticated? If it has, then I could come up with another argument as to why they made the announcement. Maybe his mom wanted people to think he was born in Hawaii so that he would immediately, automatically be a US citizen. Nobody is claiming that the announcement (assuming the announcemt was authentic) was put in the paper in case he ever wanted to run for President 50 years later. That is absurd.

Of course it is. That's why I can't believe that you're continuing to carry on like a fool with this stuff. "Nobody is arguing that, because that would be craaaaaazy!" As opposed to the very reasonable things you're writing. LOL. I just upped the ante a bit.

If he's not an American, that's really the only explanation for all of it, and it's only marginally more absurd than the insane birther theories to begin with. And these people who planned this out decades ago did excellent work. Geez, the more I type about this, the more I start to believe you, Rupert. They *really* just might have pulled this off!!!

What are you talking about? Nobody thinks that. Nobody thinks this was planned decades ago.

We don't even know that the newspaper announcements are authentic. And as I said, even if they are authentic, there are far more innocuous explanations than a 50 year conspircay theory. How about his mom wanting her son to be a US citizen?

If it makes you feel good to think that anyone who questions Obama's birthplace is crazy, then more power to you. Whatever makes you feel good is fine with me.

In that case, I feel excellent about having your approval to think birthers, yourself included, are f*cking nuts.

With real issues to complain about that have real merit, it simply amazes me that people waste their time with crazy conspiracy theories like this, rather than criticizing Obama on the things he should be criticized on. It just takes the teeth out of any other real criticism you lob his way, like anyone who thought Bush ordered 9/11 shouldn't be taken seriously in their other criticisms of Bush because clearly their entire mind is muddled with crap that doesn't allow them to think clearly.

Really though, who cares what the crazy guy who insists Obama is a Kenyan born in Nairobi thinks? Any real ability to be objective is obviously gone, and Obama is playing you and those like you for absolute hilarious fools by letting you embarrass yourself like this. Carry on.

Are you aware that snopes.com can't seem to make up their mind about what hospital Obama was born at.

"News sites swap Obama's birthplace like magic
UPI, Snopes change location within hours of WND report"

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

There is nothing fishy about that.

I forgot to mention that Obama's aunt said that he was born in Kenya. I'm sure all these things are just a coincidence. I'm sure he was born in Hawaii.

I should probably start another thread so this doesn't get lost, but from watching more interviews, I've come to have legitimate questions about whether Sarah Palin is a human.

I have several good reasons to question whether she's a human, and in fact believe that she is a Terrortron 4000 series robot, and that beneath her synthetic, but very real looking skin, there is little more than a series of malleable metal rods that have been formed in the shape of a human being.

I believe that the onus is on Sarah Palin to prove to me that she is, in fact, a human being and not a robot, and I look forward to your help in getting to the bottom of this, Rupert, as if you've taught me one thing today, it's that all questions, no matter how absurd, should be treated as though they are entirely legitimate. I think that as a potential presidential candidate in two years that I have a right to know whether a robot that cries tears of oil and WD-40 could possibly be elected President of this great country of ours, and it is her job, and hers alone, to prove this claim wrong.

Where he was born doesn't affect the job he is doing. Does it really matter whether he moved to Hawaii when he was 1 month old vs being born in Hawaii? It's not going to have any effect on his job perfomance.

Good point!

somebody should definately check her birth certifi...errr.. Warranty!!

Maybe his mom listed his race as white on the original and that would cost him most of his 'street cred'?

"Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States," Shuhubia continued in the affidavit.

"During the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed her reply that she was indeed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya," Shuhubia insisted in the affidavit.

"The affidavit documents that President Obama's step-grandmother was asked the questions several times, both in her native language, Swahili, and in English, and that the Anabaptists conducting the interview were confident she understood clearly the questions that were asked."

I can't figure out why anyone would think Obama might have been born in Kenya. It is so strange.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

tons of street cred at Harvard Law School

He may not know it but lost all street cred in Chicago when he threw out that first pitch and lied about being a Sox fan. Too bad he didn't show up at a Hawks game or Cup celebration. The mayor and governor were both booed. I can't even imagine the welcome hockey fans from the President's home town would have greeted him with.

To hell with warranty, what's the return policy?!?!