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my miss storm cat 05-05-2010 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 644266)
What say you of his chances?

Zero cause Caracortada is gonna win the Preakness. :p

randallscott35 05-05-2010 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 644418)
Zero cause Caracortada is gonna win the Preakness. :p

Free money in the pools with that play.

2Hot4TV 05-05-2010 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gate Dancer (Post 644337)
10%-15% to win either the Preakness or Belmont...............I think he goes down in Baltimore.

He goes down in the Preakness. Runs well in the race and just like Mind that Bird he wont be real tough to beat the rest of the year.

NTamm1215 05-05-2010 07:54 PM

I'll say this much and it doesn't apply to the Belmont but I think Super Saver is going to be nowhere near his fair odds in the Preakness. I think he should be a prohibitive (sub-even money) favorite and he's going to be bigger than that.

What's lining up to face him among horses who didn't run in the Derby is nothing to be scared of whatsoever and the horses coming back from the Derby are not much. I believe it will become clear that Paddy O' Prado was greatly aided by the sloppy track. I think Saturday was just another stop on the excuse train for Lookin at Lucky and any chance of Dublin being a good horse was erased months ago.

I fully expect Super Saver to win next week.

NT

randallscott35 05-05-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 644523)
I'll say this much and it doesn't apply to the Belmont but I think Super Saver is going to be nowhere near his fair odds in the Preakness. I think he should be a prohibitive (sub-even money) favorite and he's going to be bigger than that.

What's lining up to face him among horses who didn't run in the Derby is nothing to be scared of whatsoever and the horses coming back from the Derby are not much. I believe it will become clear that Paddy O' Prado was greatly aided by the sloppy track. I think Saturday was just another stop on the excuse train for Lookin at Lucky and any chance of Dublin being a good horse was erased months ago.

I fully expect Super Saver to win next week.

NT

Wholeheartedly agree. I expect him to win as well. Was able to win with a 1 in thoros, barely breaking his 2 yr old top. He is unlikely to go backwards in this race and who exactly is going to move forwards and beat him?

the_fat_man 05-05-2010 08:14 PM

I don't know. Is the field for the Preakness set?

SS hasn't really run a 'huge' race and he got a very, very nice trip in the Derby. Not only did he save ground but he was nicely positioned just behind the fast pace. I suppose if he gets an absolutely perfect trip again he wins. If he's asked to do some of his own running, however, he hasn't shown, to this point, except for the CD race, that he can do it. Combine this with low odds and 'no thanks'.

my miss storm cat 05-05-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV (Post 644522)
He goes down in the Preakness. Runs well in the race and just like Mind that Bird he wont be real tough to beat the rest of the year.

Maybe it's all the sex on the beach (that's distracting you)... not sure but come on... over a year later. Can't we get his name right?

my miss storm cat 05-05-2010 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 644525)
I don't know. Is the field for the Preakness set?

SS hasn't really run a 'huge' race and he got a very, very nice trip in the Derby. Not only did he save ground but he was nicely positioned just behind the fast pace. I suppose if he gets an absolutely perfect trip again he wins. If he's asked to do some of his own running, however, he hasn't show, to this point, except for the CD race, that he can do it. Combine this with low odds and 'no thanks'.

I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with you.

Indian Charlie 05-05-2010 09:11 PM

Am I the only person who thinks Super Saver runs his best races, by far, at CD?

I think he's a terrible bet in the Preakness.

randallscott35 05-05-2010 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 644541)
Am I the only person who thinks Super Saver runs his best races, by far, at CD?

I think he's a terrible bet in the Preakness.

Did you see the PPs for the Preakness? Not much there.

reese 05-05-2010 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 644541)
Am I the only person who thinks Super Saver runs his best races, by far, at CD?

I think he's a terrible bet in the Preakness.

I think Super Saver can run outside of CD. He won his second career race, 1 mile at Belmont in slop, on 9/09 by 7 lenghts.

I think Super Saver is live in the Preakness. He has speed, not a plodder.
The Belmont is another story though.

Indian Charlie 05-05-2010 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 644543)
Did you see the PPs for the Preakness? Not much there.

Yep.

Schoolyard Dreams, for instance. He's not much.

How'd he do in the Wood and the TB race?

JerseyJ 05-06-2010 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by reese (Post 644547)
I think Super Saver can run outside of CD. He won his second career race, 1 mile at Belmont in slop, on 9/09 by 7 lenghts.

I think Super Saver is live in the Preakness. He has speed, not a plodder.
The Belmont is another story though.

Key word, slop, exactly what he caught at CD in the Derby...

Frankly Super Saver is a terrible bet in the Preakness. On a fast track he's no better than Dublin and frankly Dublin will get back to winning when the owners realize he's a closing sprinter, but to be honest any one of a host of runners can challenge Super Saver on a fast track in the Preakness.

slotdirt 05-06-2010 05:54 AM

I can't blame folks who want to look at Schoolyard Dreams in this race - if he goes. He was on more than even terms with Super Saver at Tampa this winter.

CSC 05-06-2010 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 644523)
I'll say this much and it doesn't apply to the Belmont but I think Super Saver is going to be nowhere near his fair odds in the Preakness. I think he should be a prohibitive (sub-even money) favorite and he's going to be bigger than that.

What's lining up to face him among horses who didn't run in the Derby is nothing to be scared of whatsoever and the horses coming back from the Derby are not much. I believe it will become clear that Paddy O' Prado was greatly aided by the sloppy track. I think Saturday was just another stop on the excuse train for Lookin at Lucky and any chance of Dublin being a good horse was erased months ago.

I fully expect Super Saver to win next week.

NT

I see you didn't take me seriously when I mentioned I liked Hurricane Ike last weekend, there are quite a few things to like about this horse.

randallscott35 05-06-2010 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 644567)
Yep.

Schoolyard Dreams, for instance. He's not much.

How'd he do in the Wood and the TB race?

You are resting your hopes on Schoolyard Dreams? Tampa was months ago, new ballgame now.

NTamm1215 05-06-2010 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 644578)
I can't blame folks who want to look at Schoolyard Dreams in this race - if he goes. He was on more than even terms with Super Saver at Tampa this winter.

That's kind of a tough comparison to make when Super Saver was making his first start of 2010.

NT

slotdirt 05-06-2010 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 644625)
That's kind of a tough comparison to make when Super Saver was making his first start of 2010.

NT

Well, it's not like his second start (or third really, if we're being fair) were that much better.

johnny pinwheel 05-06-2010 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 644523)
I'll say this much and it doesn't apply to the Belmont but I think Super Saver is going to be nowhere near his fair odds in the Preakness. I think he should be a prohibitive (sub-even money) favorite and he's going to be bigger than that.

What's lining up to face him among horses who didn't run in the Derby is nothing to be scared of whatsoever and the horses coming back from the Derby are not much. I believe it will become clear that Paddy O' Prado was greatly aided by the sloppy track. I think Saturday was just another stop on the excuse train for Lookin at Lucky and any chance of Dublin being a good horse was erased months ago.

I fully expect Super Saver to win next week.

NT

i agree with you too. theres not much to beat with ice box out.(it was the only horse that was even close to him). people are talking about "perfect" trip, well, thats two races in a row he got a pefect trip. the horse has tactical speed so he will get a good trip most likely. the only thing holding me back will be the odds. i'm hoping people like some of the other ones and they will because i've heard a million excuses already. if this horse is anywhere near 5-2, i will be all over him.

NTamm1215 05-06-2010 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 644632)
Well, it's not like his second start (or third really, if we're being fair) were that much better.

What? So Super Saver's Ark Derby and Ky Derby were not much better than his Tampa Derby? I couldn't possibly agree with that.

The Tampa Derby proved to be what many thought it was. It was a trio of average horses slugging it out down the stretch with one decent horse who needed a race. He moved forward in the Ark Derby then even more so in the Ky Derby.

I'm not saying Super Saver is some rising star sent to rescue thoroughbred racing from anonymity and there are going to be plenty of knocks on him in Baltimore, but I think it's pretty clear that he's developing and I think the quick comeback may actually serve him well.

NT


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