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SCUDSBROTHER 03-29-2010 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Caracortado has about as much chance to win the Derby as me and the Fat Man in a horse suit.

Next.
O.K., then give me 100-1. Make some easy bagel money.

randallscott35 03-29-2010 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I think he's a cinch to outfinish Interactif, who is a prime candidate for Todd's last place runner.

NT
Neither runs in the race I think.

randallscott35 03-29-2010 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
O.K., then give me 100-1. Make some easy bagel money.
That "Derby Super Test" might not help you any.

DaTruth 03-29-2010 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Caracortado has about as much chance to win the Derby as me and the Fat Man in a horse suit.

Next.
and the two of you riding a tandem bike? TFM might be able to utilize some of the race riding tactics he has picked up at his local velodrome.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-29-2010 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35
That "Derby Super Test" might not help you any.
Well, that's true for most of the Santa Anita Derby Contestants (except the lady trainer.)

randallscott35 03-29-2010 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Well, that's true for most of the Santa Anita Derby Contestants (except probably the lady trainer.)
Make Music For Me In a romp.

the_fat_man 03-29-2010 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I'm saying throw out the races that took place at Anita on March 6th. You see that little rat trying to hold on from the 1 hole against Zenyata? They couldn't run that hog down for place. I know that was a fkd up inside speed biased track. Look at the huge move from Interactif on the turn. That's an inside move. Caracortado wasn't getting his moneysworth out there. He ran his same race, but he was running on a much heavier surface than the top 2 were running on. The horse who won the 5th? Never been able to hold on before at Anita. No matter how slow the pace. He'd always been caught. March 6th he found something he really liked. Tap It Light couldn't get to him with the wide move (same as Caracortado couldn't make up ground out there.) Tap It just came back to win the Grade 3 feature on Saturday. You should excuse horses that tried to make outside moves on March 6th. No matter what this guy does next, excuse anybody trying to make a wide move on March 6th.
I really wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt here and took a look at a single race to see if there was a bias against outside runs. The race I looked at was the 7th, where Alphie's Bet was wide throughout, was in the 4th path on the turn, entered in the 4 path (which, btw, is where Coracortado was) and blew them away in the stretch. Now, this was a multi-move race and AB got a decent setup but this kind of works against your theory. You'd be better served to try to understand race types and the timing of moves.

blackthroatedwind 03-29-2010 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
O.K., then give me 100-1. Make some easy bagel money.

You haven't paid yet for that obnoxiously bad opinion you had last year. That horse was so bad I can't even remember its name. I wanted to say Chocolate Candy, but this horse was so bad that even Chocolate Candy would whip its ass.

And, by the way, congratulations....I see you have added anti-semite to your already impressive resume.

blackthroatedwind 03-29-2010 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DaTruth
and the two of you riding a tandem bike? TFM might be able to utilize some of the race riding tactics he has picked up at his local velodrome.

I assume the Fat Man will be the half that eats....with me the horse's ass.

blackthroatedwind 03-29-2010 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I really wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt here and took a look at a single race to see if there was a bias against outside runs. The race I looked at was the 7th, where Alphie's Bet was wide throughout, was in the 4th path on the turn, entered in the 4 path (which, btw, is where Coracortado was) and blew them away in the stretch. Now, this was a multi-move race and AB got a decent setup but this kind of works against your theory. You'd be better served to try to understand race types and the timing of moves.

You actually wasted your invaluable time to see if there was any validity to his opinion?

Haven't you seen his posts in the past? He's never right.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-29-2010 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I really wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt here and took a look at a single race to see if there was a bias against outside runs. The race I looked at was the 7th, where Alphie's Bet was wide throughout, was in the 4th path on the turn, entered in the 4 path (which, btw, is where Coracortado was) and blew them away in the stretch. Now, this was a multi-move race and AB got a decent setup but this kind of works against your theory. You'd be better served to try to understand race types and the timing of moves.
LOL.......March 13th....

SCUDSBROTHER 03-29-2010 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You haven't paid yet for that obnoxiously bad opinion you had last year. That horse was so bad I can't even remember its name. I wanted to say Chocolate Candy, but this horse was so bad that even Chocolate Candy would whip its ass.

And, by the way, congratulations....I see you have added anti-semite to your already impressive resume.
You've never bet me. I doubt you will this time.

the_fat_man 03-29-2010 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I'm saying throw out the races that took place at Anita on March 6th. ....You should excuse horses that tried to make outside moves on March 6th. No matter what this guy does next, excuse anybody trying to make a wide move on March 6th.
......

SCUDSBROTHER 03-29-2010 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
......
It's the wrong day. You're the one who just said the Sham n' San Felipe were run on the same card. I, at least, discovered the mistake myself. You couldn't do it.

NTamm1215 03-29-2010 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
LOL.......March 13th....
Wait, was that the day where three winners came at least five wide to win down the stretch? Quinonez rode one, Bejarano, then Espinoza in the nightcap at 36-1. Yeah, it was the track that did Caracortado in.

NT

-BT- 03-29-2010 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch
Please tell me I don't have to start paying attention to the Sunland Derby now. Reminds me of the early part of the decade when we all of a sudden had to notice Illinois.

during the post parade i was reminded of this as the announcers brought the horses on the track:

"sunland park, home of the 2009 kentucky derby winner mind that bird"


:rolleyes:


-bt-

the_fat_man 03-29-2010 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
It's the wrong day. You're the one who just said the Sham n' San Felipe were run on the same card. I, at least, discovered the mistake myself. You couldn't do it.
I just took what you wrote as being correct. Figured you'd at least get the date right.

But you're still WRONG, yet again, as 3 horses won with wide trips on the 13th. This is evident even from just reading the charts.

the_fat_man 03-29-2010 12:48 PM
This kind of **** points to exactly what's wrong with racing presently. I just spent 4 days playing 6 (or 7) tracks that were running races that either overlapped or were often within minutes of others. In other words, I couldn't really play the way I wanted to 'cause there was just no way to really handicap these races. And, today, I'm arguing trivial **** on a forum because there's NO racing. Any wonder why handle is down?

randallscott35 03-29-2010 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
This kind of **** points to exactly what's wrong with racing presently. I just spent 4 days playing 6 (or 7) tracks that were running races that either overlapped or were often within minutes of others. In other words, I couldn't really play the way I wanted to 'cause there was just no way to really handicap these races. And, today, I'm arguing trivial **** on a forum because there's NO racing. Any wonder why handle is down?
Philly Park is open. I'm sure Lake has a cinch later on.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-29-2010 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Wait, was that the day where three winners came at least five wide to win down the stretch? Quinonez rode one, Bejarano, then Espinoza in the nightcap at 36-1. Yeah, it was the track that did Caracortado in.

NT
March 13th


1) 7 gets to the rail. The 2 and 3 both come off the rail to go by. The 7 also floats out. The 7 looks beat, but is guided back towards the rail. Then, voila, it takes off again.
2) 1 horse was taken off the rail..please note the particularly good effort by the #2 pig called Daniella Roth. She hugged the rail the whole way.
3) the #1 horse was taken outside by Smith, and failed out there. It's probably why he stayed inside with Zenyata later on.
4) turf
5)1 wins... Tap It Light struggles to make up ground with the outside stretch move. Then, he returns to easily win a Grade 3 this last Saturday.
6)1
7)1 horse(a little pig runt) ran 2nd to Zenyata(who was also kept inside.)
8) turf
9) Interactif has a big inside move(against a soft pace leader) after breaking from the 2 hole
10) 21.53, 44.38 pace ..resulted in a 75-1 shot getting up late


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