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johnny pinwheel 03-09-2010 08:01 AM

you are right on. this might help but double the handle? that seems like pie in the sky at this time. are they accounting for losing some every day bettors and horsemen? this will be a better product but i highly doubt they will double the handle or even come close to that. plus, all the racing time they lose. people are worried (at other venues)but i think other tracks will attract some of their horses. people only make money when they run thier horses. but, then again this may be the way the industry is going, seeing that they are all losing, they got to try something which is a start. if it does work out, other states will have to look at this. but double the handle in this economy with all the gambling places.....c'mon

randallscott35 03-09-2010 08:02 AM

Lowering the takeout is what needs to be done across the board. The dirty little secret is that the pretty horses don't run around in circles unless they are bet on.

freddymo 03-09-2010 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...monmouth-dates

Most important thing I grabbed from the article was the last sentence



Yeah, and where is that gonna come from. Whoa

Doubling the handle will be tough but NOT impossible.. A lot of marketing needs to be done and horseman have to help promote the sport(monmouth)..It's a opportunity to save racing and make it significant 50 days a year.. They don't have to have more then one 1 mil day a week.. I think this will hurt AP and WB hardest not SPA.. The bigger NY shops have always used the Monmouth for the B team so that wont change.. Also the big NY owners arent going to care if there Mdn Spl is 56k at Spa and Monmouth's is 81k. They will continue to race their best in SPA anyway.. I do think AP and WB will have their producted dug into.

MaTH716 03-09-2010 08:44 AM

You would think that the purse money would draw more (and better) horses to the track resulting in fuller fields. Maybe they could even draw some A/E lists for races and in the event of bad weather, you wouldn't be stuck with the unbetable 3-4 horse races seen unfortunately way to much down there. Overall the racing product will be better and you would think that would lead to better betting opportunities as well. I don't think the handle will be the problem.

Scav 03-09-2010 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Doubling the handle will be tough but NOT impossible.. A lot of marketing needs to be done and horseman have to help promote the sport(monmouth)..It's a opportunity to save racing and make it significant 50 days a year.. They don't have to have more then one 1 mil day a week.. I think this will hurt AP and WB hardest not SPA.. The bigger NY shops have always used the Monmouth for the B team so that wont change.. Also the big NY owners arent going to care if there Mdn Spl is 56k at Spa and Monmouth's is 81k. They will continue to race their best in SPA anyway.. I do think AP and WB will have their producted dug into.

AP is already screwed this year, they have supposed lost two trainers (Donnie Von Hemel and Steve Hobby) which is about 45-50 horses, and Hector Magana is now running a training farm down in Ocala.

Bring on the Golden Gate type racing, I am all for it.

freddymo 03-09-2010 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
You would think that the purse money would draw more (and better) horses to the track resulting in fuller fields. Maybe they could even draw some A/E lists for races and in the event of bad weather, you wouldn't be stuck with the unbetable 3-4 horse races seen unfortunately way to much down there. Overall the racing product will be better and you would think that would lead to better betting opportunities as well. I don't think the handle will be the problem.

For the fans its a great concept..I think it ultimately makes NY horseman and NY based operations significantly stronger. Who do you think will be winning these pots? I have a hunch every sharp trainer will have an eye in the condition book and most won't be NJ trainers. Again, for usfan its great news, I really don't care about the viablity of NJ racing or its horseman, I just care about the racing.

Scav 03-09-2010 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
For the fans its a great concept..I think it ultimately makes NY horseman and NY based operations significantly stronger. Who do you think will be winning these pots? I have a hunch every sharp trainer will have an eye in the condition book and most won't be NJ trainers. Again, for usfan its great news, I really don't care about the viablity of NJ racing or its horseman, I just care about the racing.

You better step up your handle to support NJ Racing.....

freddymo 03-09-2010 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
AP is already screwed this year, they have supposed lost two trainers (Donnie Von Hemel and Steve Hobby) which is about 45-50 horses, and Hector Magana is now running a training farm down in Ocala.

Bring on the Golden Gate type racing, I am all for it.

It can't be good news for AP or WB.. WB's pots are twice AP's so AP now needs to reinvent its place in Summer racing..

Scav 03-09-2010 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
It can't be good news for AP or WB.. WB's pots are twice AP's so AP now needs to reinvent its place in Summer racing..

Woobine will be fine, 75k maidens and there is even more money being put into the kiddy there. Nowhere in North America will you find that unless you have a PA bred!

freddymo 03-09-2010 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
You better step up your handle to support NJ Racing.....

Monmouth is unreal especially busy. It's just a sweet place to go, as is AP. their most likely will be a deal with the casinos at some point. I like the little 21 day fall meet shipping over to Monmouth a lot.. There was no point to the Meadowlands TB meet (although the turf course was cool). The area is empty in the fall and those will be nice dates and days to watch some racing live. Those are good races because you will still have a bunch of NY based B teamers around and they still race for OK money

freddymo 03-09-2010 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Woobine will be fine, 75k maidens and there is even more money being put into the kiddy there. Nowhere in North America will you find that unless you have a PA bred!

But its rubber and some guys will now choose dirt and 75k to commence careers.. I do agree 75k will keep everyone plenty happy. The point is now there is a dirt option at the same price point. Chuck likes the shore every since whaling has been outlawed, he can bring sun screen on and be back for last few..Its onlylike 2 miles from beach if that

Scav 03-09-2010 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
But its rubber and some guys will now choose dirt and 75k to commence careers.. I do agree 75k will keep everyone plenty happy. The point is now there is a dirt option at the same price point. Chuck likes the shore every since whaling has been outlawed, he can bring sun screen on and be back for last few..Its onlylike 2 miles from beach if that

With those types of purses, you are going to see some insane claiming races. you will see 50k claimers being run for 15k because there will be a 50k pot attached to it.

While I am sure we would look for spots there, I am guessing we would take the low lying fruit at Philly

MaTH716 03-09-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Monmouth is unreal especially busy. It's just a sweet place to go, as is AP. their most likely will be a deal with the casinos at some point. I like the little 21 day fall meet shipping over to Monmouth a lot.. There was no point to the Meadowlands TB meet (although the turf course was cool). The area is empty in the fall and those will be nice dates and days to watch some racing live. Those are good races because you will still have a bunch of NY based B teamers around and they still race for OK money

The best thing about the Meadowlands (at least for me) was the night racing. Agree that it was nice having a pristine turf course so late into the season too, but as far as logistics you're right. Not to mention it has to hurt them that they have to be dark on Sunday afternoons due to Giants and Jets home games.
Who knows, maybe that little fall meet will lead them to making a push for the BC again. Even though I was kind of against it, I thought that they did a great job the first time and would love to see them get another crack with hopefully much better weather conditions.

philcski 03-09-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
The best thing about the Meadowlands (at least for me) was the night racing. Agree that it was nice having a pristine turf course so late into the season too, but as far as logistics you're right. Not to mention it has to hurt them that they have to be dark on Sunday afternoons due to Giants and Jets home games.
Who knows, maybe that little fall meet will lead them to making a push for the BC again. Even though I was kind of against it, I thought that they did a great job the first time and would love to see them get another crack with hopefully much better weather conditions.

Not according to Satish!

MaTH716 03-09-2010 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Not according to Satish!

I don't know what his beef was, but for the amount of rain that they had it still turned out to be a wonderful event (at least according to me). I really believe that if it wasn't the Breeders Cup there would have been at least one day if not two days of racing canceled because of the monsoon that rolled through.

freddymo 03-09-2010 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
With those types of purses, you are going to see some insane claiming races. you will see 50k claimers being run for 15k because there will be a 50k pot attached to it.

While I am sure we would look for spots there, I am guessing we would take the low lying fruit at Philly

How many 15k claimers you think they are looking to wite 2 a month for NJ breds? You are 100% percent right people will be dropping 50k claimers into 25k's like water.. How many real 50k claimers are there in ALL of NA racing anyway that class of animal is gone.

randallscott35 03-09-2010 10:26 AM

http://drf.com/news/article/111309.html

Scav 03-09-2010 10:32 AM

80k maidens...So comedy!

randallscott35 03-09-2010 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
80k maidens...So comedy!

I think its great.

Alan07 03-09-2010 11:11 AM

I would have to think places like Churchill will be affected more that Woodbine. In addition, you can probably forget about any ''decent'' (if at all racing) at Suffolk, which would force them to out of business at the end of the year, if not sooner. At least half the stables are expected to be empty at Suffolk this year.


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