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pba1817 01-23-2010 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Yeah - the track wasn't abnormally fast today.
Correct, btw do you know how to read a racing form?

The Indomitable DrugS 01-23-2010 11:23 PM
Just sit in the back seat and keep your mouth shut.

pba1817 01-23-2010 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Just sit in the back seat and keep your mouth shut.
Tough guy...

Scav 01-24-2010 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Stately Victor, that Ghostzapper cripple that Mike Maker has, he made several lengths up late on Winslow Homer into the teeth of extremely easy fractions in his debut at Saratoga.

Considering how awful Maker is with debuters .. and how productive he is otherwise .. that horse should have been a force.

I think he and Eightyfiveinafifty might have run the two most impressive races by any 2yo male all Saratoga meet...and both came debuting in defeat against maidens.
Your gonna send your boy Vol Jack into cardiac arrest!..

Personally I think William's Kitten will be Maker's Derby horse. He will have the earnings and probably win the Blue Grass at Keeneland. He seems like a 10 furlong horse. I think his best surface will end up being turf, but he will run on anything.

NoLuvForPletch 01-24-2010 07:53 AM
After the Philly race in November I pronounced Winslow Homer my Derby horse.

I was not overly impressed by what I saw today. I still like that he has tactical speed and Ramon can put him in any spot he wants.

Being out of a Summer Squall mare, you'd like to think he can go the extra distance, but he had a sweet journey today and I would've expected him to win by many open lengths seeing how easy he was travelling in behind horses as they turned for home.

Jackson Bend had a much tougher trip, ran a better race in my opinion and I am not a fan.

gamblin4ever 01-24-2010 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Your gonna send your boy Vol Jack into cardiac arrest!..

Personally I think William's Kitten will be Maker's Derby horse. He will have the earnings and probably win the Blue Grass at Keeneland. He seems like a 10 furlong horse. I think his best surface will end up being turf, but he will run on anything.
I agree but wish he could be closer to the pace insyead of coming from far back and picking up the pieces.

gamblin4ever 01-24-2010 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
After the Philly race in December I pronounced Winslow Homer my Derby horse.

I was not overly impressed by what I saw today. I still like that he has tactical speed and Ramon can put him in any spot he wants.

Being by a Summer Squall mare, you'd like to think he can go the extra distance, but he had a sweet journey today and I would've expected him to win by many open lengths seeing how easy he was travelling in behind horses as they turned for home.

Jackson Bend had a much tougher trip, ran a better race in my opinion and I am not a fan.

It seemed like he was struggling to stay in front of JB at the end, But, Dutrow said he didn't like him in this race, so he probably didn't have him set to run. Lets see what happens @ FOY when he stretches out more.

Sightseek 01-24-2010 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Your gonna send your boy Vol Jack into cardiac arrest!..

Personally I think William's Kitten will be Maker's Derby horse. He will have the earnings and probably win the Blue Grass at Keeneland. He seems like a 10 furlong horse. I think his best surface will end up being turf, but he will run on anything.
I hope he just keeps running his 2nds and 3rds and gets enough graded earnings to get in the gate..

The Indomitable DrugS 01-24-2010 10:05 AM
Wiliam's Kitten needs to improve a whole lot.

At least with Mine That Bird .. you had a horse laying close to fast paces and making nice middle moves before totally staggering home late against junky horses.

If you decide to completely change tactics with a horse like that - and take him about 25 lengths off of the pace like they did in the Derby ... there's a good 0.30% chance the horse's form might explode forward... and it did.

William's Kitten is more of a grinder .. best case scenerio probably is that he grinds out a 3rd.

Sightseek 01-24-2010 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Wiliam's Kitten needs to improve a whole lot.

At least with Mine That Bird .. you had a horse laying close to fast paces and making nice middle moves before totally staggering home late against junky horses.

If you decide to completely change tactics with a horse like that - and take him about 25 lengths off of the pace like they did in the Derby ... there's a good 0.30% chance the horse's form might explode forward... and it did.

William's Kitten is more of a grinder .. best case scenerio probably is that he grinds out a 3rd.
That is actually my thought about this horse..

the_fat_man 01-24-2010 10:51 AM
Haven't seen this perfect a trip since Goldikova in the 2008 BC. And the horse is all out to win by 3/4 of a length.:rolleyes:


This one will be BIG. I can see it now, a HUGE 3 year old campaign culminating in a MATCH RACE with ThisOnesForPhil. Who wouldn't pay to see that race?

joeydb 01-25-2010 12:22 PM
I'm glad that "Holy Bull S." stood for the Holy Bull Stakes... :D


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