Well then perhaps a corneal transplant is recommended ..

Please ----why haven't you described all the races that trump this one--big lengths, fast, Rachel, Mine That Bird--the tenth at Canterbury ???!!!

A fascinating race that some refuse to see ...

Watching races for 50 years, and it is way up there ...

" not a bad one"--don't make me laugh ...

Never have I seen such a good horse continually not believed in ..

She runs virtually the same race regardless of pace or opposition seemingly by design ... And does it easily ....

She is an original that must do numbers on you numbers guys, and less popular with bettors than horse people--wonder why ???

So far you haven't beat her, but won't join either...

And no I am not president of the pretty pony club--made my first bet--winning--at age 10 ...

She's less popular with bettors?

Here's her last 10 races.

* 5/2 favorite

* 2/5 favorite

* 1/5 favorite

* 1/5 favorite

* 1/5 favorite

* 1/2 favorite

* 3/5 favorite

* 3/5 favorite

* 1/5 favorite

* 1/5 favorite

I'd also say she had dominant numbers coming into 9 of those 10 races.

Sorry , I should have said GAMBLERS--there is a difference ...

Of course she was favored since Pearl Harbor ...

Bad choice of words on my part ...

Gamblers--you know the ones that tried to beat her also since Pearl Harbor and didn't ...

For me, or for you? I suggest you need two corneal transplants. One so that you can read what I actually said, and the other to help you learn to watch a race. If you think that's a top 5 or 10 race run in the 50 years you've been watching races, then frankly, you are beyond clueless.

Have you signed up with AARP yet?


I'm not sure how to react to that. Maybe "Huh?" or "Where did you learn reading comprehension? Perhaps you should have gone to school instead of learning how to read by being taught how to order off the McDonald's menu"

If you are asking me to name a race that was more impressive than this Classic, how about the Preakness from earlier this year? Oh yeah, I can't use that one since you already mocked that possibility above. How about Arazi, or Inside Information? Or heck, even Phone Chatter winning the BC on busted up knees?

Listen man, I never said her race wasn't at all impressive. What I did say was that the track announcer grossly overreacted.


Ugh.

Gamblers haven't been trying to beat her until Saturday.

She's faced field after field where she should have been 1/20 on paper all year long.

The only female horse of any ability that she has beat this year (Life Is Sweet) shares the exact same running style as her. That means that if the pace is against Zenyatta - it's also against Life Is Sweet. One won't get a tactical edge on the other and the best will always win.

Absolutely no one with a clue could have bet against her at level weight in her prep either.

She's rabidly loved by people who like 1/5 shots and by pretty horsey people.

No you said the " race was not bad " and the track announcer over reacted ...I was commenting SPECIFICALLY on that quote--NOT BAD ..

No need for granny glasses, gingko biloba or AARP ..

Not bad is sort of an under reaction as you continue to qualify your being less than impressed with the race by saying you have seen many better this year--that is without naming them originally ... Now you have ...

Speaking of sight, vision and reading comprehension--where did I quantify my remark " right up there " as to the the top five or twenty or any number qualifying exactly what NUMBER I WOULD ASSIGN TO ' RIGHT UP THERE ' ????in reference to the good races I have seen in 50 years ???

NOWHERE except in your head ... Exactly--reading comprehension ..

The whole enchilada --point missed, entirely ...

Do you get it now ???

Uber ugh ...

I respectfully disagree--people have put it out there that they have tried to beat her long before the Classic and maybe right here as well ...

Are you saying the clueless are in danger of extinction---I think you know better ...

I am sure she is loved by chalkeaters and pretty pony people, as sure as I am she is loved by those who appreciate a good horse ...

Funny thing Prudery. I'm neither a numbers guy or a bettor.

Sorta like you not having a clue I guess.

Phone Chatter!!!!!

YAY!!!!

No resemblance whatsoever ....

So, when you said this in your first post:

Way up there meant in the top 500 races you've seen? To me, Denman's reaction was for an all time great race performance, and by you saying it's way up there, you are agreeing.

Why else say it's way up there in great races of the last 50 years? Would you really be saying that if it was the 175th best race you've ever seen?

Or are you going to try to worm your way out of what you said?

I threw that one in for you!

Come to think of it though, Sardula and Heavenly Prize were better horses than what was in this Classic.

Go to the eso forum.

Sightseek just dissed your favorite movie.

It's a good observation- horse racing is a unique sport in that it is intrinsically tied to gambling, and any sort of informed gambling on racing requires some pretty good math skills. And there aren't many people who are equally strong in math and in writing, and sports writing, to be specific.

(I also think it's one of the big reasons horse racing has trouble with the casual fans- nobody told them there would be math. ;) )

I don't try to worm out of anything ...

I said I did not quantify my remark--so now you ask me to ??? Oh my ..

I will be very patient here--I found that race a great one that I described as " way up there " ..

When I used that term, I was not thinking in pop chart form--still there ???

Since I have ostensibly seen many good races over 50 years, revamping a list in order of subjective response I do not do, hence no numbers...

I am not easily impressed--so many races others think great I do not--like the Preakness this year--a great accomplishment, not a great race, IMO , and probablyt exactly the way you feel about this race. Maybe ..

This Classic was a great race to me, as multiple accomplishments were achieved in one fell swoop and answers answered at least to me ...

A great race because this mare sauntered by the boys exactly how she sauntered by all the girls--no regard for pace or opposition, same result ... FAB .. EASY..

Do I think it was a great field ??? No--but the field was significant enough, and the best that could be mustered that day ..

That is my opinion--is there a number for it ??? Maybe ..

But a favorite to me as a Classic it will be, and the best one I have seen in a while ...

Better than the JCGC with Slew. Affirmed and Exceller--no ..

More dramatic than Arazi??? Subjective, but not as flashy visually ..

Get it now---dinner awaits ...

That was his 2nd Group I win in a row. His 3rd race back, in July, was a 2nd place finish (by a length) to European Horse-of-the-Millenium, Sea of Stars. I think it's fair to consider Rip Van Winkle a top-notch European, and lately that's been enough to threaten our best. According to multiple observers (and I mean before the race) he shipped terribly and had major problems acclimating to his Santa Anita environs. His connections admitted as much in the days just before the race.

--Dunbar

Yeah --- it all could be. The connections talked about feet problems or something.

I don't follow Euro racing at all - let alone rabidly enough to have solid opinions up and down on Euro horses.

His last race though ... the final time was highly unimpressive when compared with other races that day at the same distance.

I read the same thing in at least one article. I thought it was absurd. This was in no way a strong field. This was a very weak Handicap division this year. Comparing this year to recent years, there were no Ghostzappers, Roses In Mays, Pleasantly Perfects, Invasors, Curlins, Bernardinis, Invasors, Saint Liams, etc. this year.

drugs i still think if you put mike smith on Gio Ponti and Dominguez on Zenyatta she doesn't win the race

smith gave her an perfect textbook ride for the pro surface as he should because he's a west coast based jock . ramon, a big a inner dirt specialit made the cardinal mistake of not getting his horse over to the best part of the track for the stretch drive - not only did he lose becuase he was on the deader part of the track , gio ponti never saw zenyatta and never had a chance to look her in the eye , if ramon could have gotten outside of her , we could have seen a different result

jermey rose made the same mistake in the derby , he was too far inside on derby day with afleet alex and mike smith hit the best part of the track on that day 10 wide with the 50/1 shot

While Smith's ride was professional even Chantal would have gotten Zenyatta up. What makes you believe Zenyatta wasn't capable of starting her run a quarter of a mile sooner on the outside and winning by the same length.
She is a terrific mare it was an awesome race, clearly not some Classic that goes down in history as an all time race but it certainly was great theather and a fine way for a great horse to out in style.

Look all story's cant be as wonderful and have the terriffic ending that Zensational did..Now that was the final chapter of an immense champion.lol