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philcski 11-12-2009 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
This horse should be finished for the year. Thinking that he will magically be cured by Bob Duncan in a week after driving cross-country is crazy.
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Originally Posted by Honu
So you didnt see them when they locked arms behind him and he was full on jack kicking with both hind legs! You didnt see the part where Gilly tried to pet and move him from side to side to get him to budge.
Please step in one day and just try and get a horse to go into the gate that doesnt want to go. If you want to blame someone blame Todd Pletcher for not having the horse schooled prior to the race.
Horses and I mean fully intact male horses most often times in the morning during schooling hours stand in the gate with mare's and filly's and geldings and other studs.
I suggest you watch the whole scene , this horse wasnt going in the gate , and when they finally got him in and he relized it he really went even more over the edge.
So who do you blame for the horse not getting on the plane , the professional horse haulers that are part of the crew or the groom that was with him?
This horse was out of his mind and from what I read this isnt the first time he has been horrible at the gate. The guys that are on this gate crew in So Cali are some of the best there are anywhere , they are horseman and they did the best they could with a bad situation.
:tro:

Fine work by TAP this weekend overall.

Pedigree Ann 11-12-2009 02:53 PM
I was quite struck during our year in Britain how quickly the starters over there 'dismiss' horses who don't want to go into the gate. You can keep trying while the rest of the field loads, but if the horse causes the entire field to stand more than 15 or 20 seconds, it is dispatched without him. Spanish Moon had refused to load in three different races, earning himself a ban for 6 months in Britain.

RolloTomasi 11-12-2009 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot
Any horse could break a fever after any ship.
And my contention is that its more likely that a horse already recently stressed (via the work, not to mention any unmeasurable stress from the other clusterfucl<s), will turn up with a fever after shipping.

Its certainly not a capital crime, and I'm sure its done all the time, but given all the other things that the horse has suffered through, you'd think they'd just relax and start again slowly, from scratch.

Cannon Shell 11-12-2009 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
And my contention is that its more likely that a horse already recently stressed (via the work, not to mention any unmeasurable stress from the other clusterfucl<s), will turn up with a fever after shipping.

Its certainly not a capital crime, and I'm sure its done all the time, but given all the other things that the horse has suffered through, you'd think they'd just relax and start again slowly, from scratch.
That is assuming that a 48.60 work for a horse like Quality Road would be a stressful event. As wound up as he has been recently, letting him stretch his legs was probably the least stressful thing asked of him.

Many trainers work their horses the day they ship long distances. Among them noted Freddy Mo mancrush, Shug.

GBBob 11-12-2009 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
That is assuming that a 48.60 work for a horse like Quality Road would be a stressful event. As wound up as he has been recently, letting him stretch his legs was probably the least stressful thing asked of him.

Many trainers work their horses the day they ship long distances. Among them noted Freddy Mo mancrush, Shug.
I know I always walk to Jimmy Johns rather than drive right before a long flight..

freddymo 11-12-2009 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
That is assuming that a 48.60 work for a horse like Quality Road would be a stressful event. As wound up as he has been recently, letting him stretch his legs was probably the least stressful thing asked of him.

Many trainers work their horses the day they ship long distances. Among them noted Freddy Mo mancrush, Shug.
If Shug does it it HAS TO BE RIGHT..Nobody other then perhaps Dinny roots for Shug harder then me.. He has a FTS by Dixie Union out of a Relaxing daughter Saturday.. Derby 10 winner..lol

RolloTomasi 11-12-2009 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
That is assuming that a 48.60 work for a horse like Quality Road would be a stressful event. As wound up as he has been recently, letting him stretch his legs was probably the least stressful thing asked of him.
I'm using the term "stress" in a much more generic sense. A workout in general "stresses" an athlete's entire body, exposing to a slew of problems (if only briefly). I'm not suggesting something specific or negative happened as a result of the work in this case. Just the normal, uneventful breeze alone leaves the body more vulnerable.

Nonetheless, as an example, we don't know if the horse has a history of bleeding (Pletcher did add Lasix where Jerkens did not) and even if not, due to the recent episodes involving the horse, it's possible he could bleed in an isolated incident. As I'm sure you're aware, horses also can go off feed for a day or two following a work.

Again, I'm just saying the connections are taking more and more risks seemingly daily with the colt after the gate fiasco. The odds are still in their favor that they won't get burned by any of it.

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Many trainers work their horses the day they ship long distances. Among them noted Freddy Mo mancrush, Shug.
Yeah, but I would assume in Shug McGaughey, for the most part, ships his horses right on top of the race, getting all the conditioning done at home and avoiding having to breeze the horse on a new surface (or without his supervision).

That's different from Quality Road's case. As far as I know, he's not shipping to run right away, unless of course, he was targeting the Stuyvesant...

Cannon Shell 11-12-2009 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
I'm using the term "stress" in a much more generic sense. A workout in general "stresses" an athlete's entire body, exposing to a slew of problems (if only briefly). I'm not suggesting something specific or negative happened as a result of the work in this case. Just the normal, uneventful breeze alone leaves the body more vulnerable.

Nonetheless, as an example, we don't know if the horse has a history of bleeding (Pletcher did add Lasix where Jerkens did not) and even if not, due to the recent episodes involving the horse, it's possible he could bleed in an isolated incident. As I'm sure you're aware, horses also can go off feed for a day or two following a work.

Again, I'm just saying the connections are taking more and more risks seemingly daily with the colt after the gate fiasco. The odds are still in their favor that they won't get burned by any of it.



Yeah, but I would assume in Shug McGaughey, for the most part, ships his horses right on top of the race, getting all the conditioning done at home and avoiding having to breeze the horse on a new surface (or without his supervision).

That's different from Quality Road's case. As far as I know, he's not shipping to run right away, unless of course, he was targeting the Stuyvesant...
I think you are over thinking it a little bit. If he were to bleed I'm sure they would delay the ship.

As for the Shug post, while he does often breeze and ship (I was thinking more of shipping the barn NY to FL or vice versa) that was for for Freddy Mo's benefit than anything.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-12-2009 08:49 PM
"You can’t get him to do anything wrong. They tried to get him wound up, bringing in multiple horses and spinning him in circles, anything they can to aggravate him. He’d hesitate and then walk right in. The afternoon is a different story...........................This is a smart horse.."

Smart in an Urban School.

TouchOfGrey 11-13-2009 02:28 PM
He's on his way back East.

Quality Road Vanning Back to Belmont

Danzig 11-13-2009 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey
He's on his way back East.

Quality Road Vanning Back to Belmont

if he keeps up his shenanigans he'll be going to the far east.

TouchOfGrey 11-17-2009 12:23 PM
Quality Road Back At Belmont
 
Quality Road Arrives at Belmont Park

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Quality Road will begin gate schooling on Wednesday with former NYRA starter Bob Duncan, who has worked with a number of bad gate horses over the years. The colt, who balked and kicked at the gate prior to the Jockey Club Gold Cup(gr. I), had extensive gate schooling prior to leaving for California and was no problem, Baker said.

Coach Pants 11-17-2009 12:35 PM
Whew what a relief. I was worried.

Honu 11-17-2009 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey
Wow that is great to know.......Im glad he didnt act up at home. Pletcher gets all the credit for standing him at home. Bob Duncan did a fine job in the morning as well .....too bad none of that translates to the afternoon at a new track he was running at .

TouchOfGrey 11-19-2009 11:50 AM
Quality Road Passes First Gate Test

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“Starting in a race will be the real test, as the colt has always schooled well in the mornings,” Baker said. “Both Todd and Bob are optimistic that we don’t have a long-term problem on our hands at this point in the process.”
It will be interesting to see how he handles his next start.


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