But in this case, the horse scratched before the pool was even open for betting. The bet should never have been accepted.

I think Linny is most likely correct--the bettor will probably get the favorite at the time the pool closes. But what happens if the favorite happens to be the other horse in the exacta? Go to next favorite?

--Dunbar

I see your point, but my guess is refund and no substitution.

Here's what happened:

Some simulcast outlet somewhere accepted exacta bets early, before the pools opened. Some of these bets were on Big Drama, and some were in $1 increments, which is not allowed because it is a $2 minimum bet.

CD is trying to determine where the bets came from and get them out of the system.

Also, it seems the "system" is allowing $1 base bets, which was not the intention. It was supposed to be a $2 minimum.

What's the expected handle on the future-exactas and what's your guess?

I'd like to see $250k.

I think it would take a miracle to reach $250k, considering there's only been about $15k so far.

My guess is $100,000-$120,000.

I agree. My guess is 120K.

Also, CD has taken the exacta odds off the live odds page.

--Dunbar

I Want Revenge (55/1) was the largest priced individual horse of the 23 in Round #1.

Big Drama was the 2nd highest price at 48/1 ... yeah maybe he shouldn't have been back again on account of no subsequent race.

The panel should have one job and one job alone ... and that's to determine who the 23 horses likely to take the most money are - and place them as the 23 entries in the bet.

It's as simple as that. There job isn't to determine who is a sprinter and who is a router. Afleet Alex lost the first several route races of his career - and looked like a sprinter going into the Ark Derby - it didn't stop him from winning the Belmont with ease.

TheGreek has put its fixed odds futures back up. Again, there are just 23 entries, corresponding exactly to the horses in KDFW Pool 2. Here are the odds at TheGreek both before and after yesterday's preps:

Bears Rocket 45.5 80.5
Beethoven 35.5 25.5
Big Drama 0 0
Chocolate Candy 40.5 32.5
Desert Party 14.15 16.15
Dunkirk 13 10.15
Flying Pegasus 35.5 60.5
Friesan Fire 18.15 10.15
General Quarters 30.5 60.5
Giant Oak 25.5 52.5
Hello Broadway 25.5 40.5
I Want Revenge 12 8.25
Imperial Council 25.5 25.5
Old Fashioned 8.45 10.15
Papa Clem 40.5 40.5
Patena 25.5 40.5
Pioneer of the Nile 13.25 14.15
Quality Road 18.15 14.15
Silver City 60.5 85.5
Take the Points 60.5 80.5
The Pamplemousse 20.5 14.25
Theregoesjojo 30.5 30.5
West Side Bernie 40.5 30.5
Any Other Horse 4.85 3.45

The top horses that didn't run yesterday (Dunkirk, I Want Revenge, Pamplemousse, Quality Road) have all had their odds come down substantially.

This odds set at TheGreek has a "takeout" of 15.7% compared to the 9.7% "takeout" of the earlier odds.

The Pamplemousse is 14-1 at TheGreek, but just 8-1 currently in the KDFW. Dunkirk is 10-1 at TheGreek but just 6-1 now in the KDFW. Conversely, I Want Revenge is 8.25-1 at TheGreek but is now 10-1 in the KDFW. All Others is 3.45-1 at TheGreek, but is 6-1 in the KDFW.

--Dunbar

Dabbled with a few exacta boxes....2-21 / 6-20 / 12-22 / 13-24 / 14-11/15
went with the 13 & 20 in the Derby futues and the 10 in the Oaks. What the heck!

I tried to do an all others with all others exacta box and they wouldn't let me.:D

From what I understand you can only use it once.

FINAL POOL 2 ODDS

1 Bears Rocket Reade Baker 50 99
2 Beethoven John Ward, Jr. 30 23
3 Big Drama David Fawkes SCR
4 Chocolate Candy Jerry Hollendorfer 30 29
5 Desert Party Saeed bin Suroor 30 17
6 Dunkirk Todd Pletcher 12 7
7 Flying Pegasus Ralph Nicks 20 65
8 Friesan Fire J. Jones 12 8
9 General Quarters Mark Miller 30 80
10 Giant Oak Chris Block 20 42
11 Hello Broadway Barclay Tagg 30 69
12 I Want Revenge Jeff Mullins 10 10
13 Imperial Council Claude McGaughey III 20 20
14 Old Fashioned J. Jones 8 8
15 Papa Clem Gary Stute 15 65
16 Patena Richard Dutrow Jr. 15 71
17 Pioneerof the Nile Bob Baffert 10 12
18 Quality Road James Jerkens 12 14
19 Silver City W. Calhoun 30 99
20 Take the Points Todd Pletcher 30 77
21 The Pamplemousse Julio Canani 10 9
22 Theregoesjojo Kenneth McPeek 15 19
23 West Side Bernie Kelly Breen 30 43
24 All Other Three Ye 8 9/2

I really dont see a good bet. Alot of Underlays...but NO VALUE.

Take the Points and Patena look like they offered value.

Desert Party looks like value to me.

Patena offers value if you're not afraid of playing a horse with very little in graded earnings, and only having one prep left which he'll have to come in first or second to even qualify

Anyone have the actual will-pays? Big difference between 4.5-1 and 4.9-1. Between 7-1 and 7.9-1.

--Dunbar

Why would anyone in their right mind trust a "system" like that? Accepting bets they can't honour??? Isn't that close to money-laundering?

Huh? It's about as close to a fig newton as it is to money-laundering.

--Dunbar