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Danzig 12-29-2008 02:55 PM
that's just it, i don't think it's information. i don't think certain people are a danger because of the religion they follow, they are dangerous because they're criminal-minded. they use their religion to justify violence, they aren't violent due to their religion.

and your thread title was 'islam and the weapon...', not 'some followers of islam'. that seems pretty broad in scope to me.

Honu 12-29-2008 03:00 PM
I think a good experiment for Muslims would be to have a Sheik or someone of high "moral" authority say "My brothers and sisters with scarves for one week Allah says you are to be peacefull people in the world , for 7 days you must abstain from any warring with the infidels or anybody else , or Allah will strike you down".
I bet there would be almost no violence to report in the world except for the usual everyday murders , rapings, and theivery.
In a nutshell I think almost any Muslim in the Middle East who is given no hope by their leaders will resort to violence( this is true for almost all Muslim countries as it is the most effective way of brainwashing people) , death couldnt be any worse.

timmgirvan 12-29-2008 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
that's just it, i don't think it's information. i don't think certain people are a danger because of the religion they follow, they are dangerous because they're criminal-minded. they use their religion to justify violence, they aren't violent due to their religion.

and your thread title was 'islam and the weapon...', not 'some followers of islam'. that seems pretty broad in scope to me.
I used the Quran which lists the verses pertinent to Taqiyya(which by their definition is lying to non-believers to further the goals of Islam) How can that be broad in scope? How can that not be information? I didn't parse the verses together.
With regard to criminal activity..their BOOK does justify violence....and the current wave of violence around the world is proof of it.
Hoss asked what are we to do...well, I'll ask you...What are we to do about this?

timmgirvan 12-29-2008 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah, I live in La La land where nothing ever goes wrong and I think we're beyond attacks. Get real for a second Dimmy. This whole thing has nothing to do with your concern for anything. It's about not understanding something that is different than what YOU believe in. You have shown before that you are pretty closed minded about anything that differentiates what you think. This is no different.

Yes, I have family members that are practice their Christian faith. I myself was raised Catholic and was baptized, confirmed, all of the nonsense. So what? I have read enough of the bible to know that i could start a few threads similar to this if I were to take it word for word. the point is, there are crazies that practice all religions.
One thing is for sure..you can't have a conversation without talking trash to me...so let's not have one. It is typical of you to fault me for an observation
nothing new there. Just carry on in your world without me,please.

brianwspencer 12-29-2008 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
One thing is for sure..you can't have a conversation without talking trash to me...so let's not have one. It is typical of you to fault me for an observation nothing new there. Just carry on in your world without me,please.
I'm imagining that, like me, there are a couple of other people who aren't posting anything in here because Hossy is taking words right out of my mouth and doing a perfectly fine job picking apart a thread that started with such a ludicrous premise under the guise of 'oh look at this tidbit i just found, figured i'd share.'

Hossy called bull$hit, just like any other thinking person would have.

timmgirvan 12-29-2008 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I'm imagining that, like me, there are a couple of other people who aren't posting anything in here because Hossy is taking words right out of my mouth and doing a perfectly fine job picking apart a thread that started with such a ludicrous premise under the guise of 'oh look at this tidbit i just found, figured i'd share.'

Hossy called bull$hit, just like any other thinking person would have.
It's your world, boys! I personally expected as much from you two deep thinkers, but i disagree with you that you speak for anyone but yourselves.

timmgirvan 12-29-2008 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I guess everyone else that disagrees can't have a conversation either. It's typical of you to post something ridiculous, get mad when people call you on it, cry for pity and then whine for me to ignore you. And, for the record the trash talking was started by you.
you are not having a conversation...that would entail discussing the subject
rather than figuring a smartass answer every time. What did I say to you that was trash? I'm not whining....**** yourself.

brianwspencer 12-29-2008 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
It's your world, boys! I personally expected as much from you two deep thinkers, but i disagree with you that you speak for anyone but yourselves.
That's right, I forgot that disagreeing with the same, usual dogmatic tripe is verboten.

What is funny that you would make a backhanded, sarcastic comment about me or Hossy being a "deep thinker," this coming from the guy whose "sources" are either $hitty op-eds, fearmongering right-wing sites and/or World Net Daily, the last bastion of honest reporting.

You're the last person here who should accuse anyone else of being incapable of having an original thought....

Oh well. I'm caught up now.

timmgirvan 12-29-2008 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
That's right, I forgot that disagreeing with the same, usual dogmatic tripe is verboten.

What is funny that you would make a backhanded, sarcastic comment about me or Hossy being a "deep thinker," this coming from the guy whose "sources" are either $hitty op-eds, fearmongering right-wing sites and/or World Net Daily, the last bastion of honest reporting.

You're the last person here who should accuse anyone else of being incapable of having an original thought....

Oh well. I'm caught up now.
you don't know **** about me...just keep your head in the sand...fine by me.

brianwspencer 12-29-2008 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
you don't know **** about me...just keep your head in the sand...fine by me.
You're right, I don't...which is why I only have what you post here to go on, so you've only got yourself to blame for the fact that this is all such a howler.

brianwspencer 12-29-2008 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
There it is. Anyone that doesn't walk around afraid of people has their head in the sand.

Dimmy, the Muslims that aren't violent, what should we do about them? Be afraid? How many violent Christians, Jews, etc are there walking around this country right now? What are you so afraid of?
Posted without comment.

In lieu of the thread I was going to start called "Christianity and the weapon of youth pastors fuc|<ing kids."

timmgirvan 12-29-2008 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
There it is. Anyone that doesn't walk around afraid of people has their head in the sand.

Dimmy, the Muslims that aren't violent, what should we do about them? Be afraid? How many violent Christians, Jews, etc are there walking around this country right now? What are you so afraid of?
OK..deep thinker: explain the constant attacks by Muslim terrorists on countries like Norway,England,France,Spain. Do you people even read a newspaper past the sports page? I'm not afraid for myself, just those who are ill-prepared to deal with those same attacks in their hometowns? If you think that's fear-mongering, then so be it

timmgirvan 12-29-2008 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
So you're afraid for me? That's nice. How should i prepare myself for these incoming attacks? Load up on bottled water and tuna fish?

As Brian put it, the absolute last person on this site who should be calling anyone a deep thinker sarcastically is you. Doesn't this ever get old for you?
Answer the question....what about those countries? Instead of an intelligent answer, you vomit again. Notice a pattern there! What you think
of me is like a featherweight on my back. Carry on

timmgirvan 12-29-2008 05:41 PM
Gee,Brian...if you'd like to talk about predators here feel free to do so. Apples and oranges on current topic.

timmgirvan 12-29-2008 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You want me to explain why crazy terrorists attack countries? because they are crazy Dimmy.

Now answer mine, how should i prepare for these attacks? Since you have clearly taken A LOT of time to think about it, what should i do?
It was an info thread. I saw it and posted the thread, that's it.

Personally..I'd just as soon you hang your ass out of a building with a "hit me"
sign!


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