I don't like the stuff either, but he got hurt at Aqueduct.

I thought Iavarone was of Italian disent not German.. And although I agree the horse is obviously hurt cutting IEAH any slack is never a good protocol, Scav theory is a bit difficult to buy

What does that have to do with it? I agree with you, but it has nothing to do with an injury to the animal. It's lousy for the sport in general that the possible Curlin-Big Brown match up will not happen. I know Curlin was only a maybe, with the workout today, but now it's possible neither will be there, which is unfortunate.

While I don't want to say they are lying, you have to admit that it is natural to be skeptical. True, they haven't decided to run Curlin in the Classic. But back when Big Brown's camp was issuing their challenges, the Curlin camp was pretty much against the BC all the way. Now they've at least publicly changed their stance and are publicly seriously considering it. So is it a coincidence that on the day Curlin's fate could be decided, Big Brown's people back out before the work? Consider for a minute if BB's people had decided they weren't going if Curlin did go. How would it look if they waited til after Curlin's camp says he will go? Not good. A lot of conjecture here, I know. But I think it's at least plausible.

on the turf, correct?

Where you really hot in the panties to see Big Brown vs. Curlin... The last thing the sport needed to see was these two over hyped OK horses further hyped and some Student Council type rag upset them both on Pro Ride.. Geez you make it seem like it was a fascinating match race.. What did you think it was Easy goer Sunday Silience? It was bearly Pleasant Home vs. that Jerkins filly?lol

Yep.

I wish some of you from the beginning who never gave this horse the credit he deserves (because of your dislike for the connections) would start a Big Brown connections thread and spew your insults there. He had a lot of great accomplishments this year and somehow that seems to get lost. Kind of unfair for the horse.

Regardless of how terrible some thought his competition was, how slow, bad beyers, could never beat this one or that one, etc., etc., no other race horse had a better year in 2008. That is a fact.

I will take Zarkava and the points

It would have been good for the sport. You would think that they would have advertised the hell out of it and try to draw in as many of the "casual fans" that only watch the TC races. Overrated or not, they would have had a matchup to sell.

No it's not, it's an opinion.

I'd say Zarkava certainly had a better year than him, but if you're just talking about North American horses, Curlin and Zenyatta both have had comparable, if not better years, and there's more for them to do still.

Like you said, it's an opinion.

25th year in bondage

He was working on Turf in NY, no?

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Unfortunate is all I have to say, I was cynic of this horse and became a believer not too recently especially with his last race.

oops, I thought he had already shipped.

Saying what you said is an opinion. I will correct myself if you can reply that another horse had more Grade 1 wins this year?

Steve, I understand what you are saying, and I also understand there is a 'line' here, but come on, given the connections lack of a spine and the greasyness about them, one has to wonder.

These guys have constantly tried to one up and love the spotlight, who doesn't, but I would be surprised if more then 10% of the racing public likes Iavorane, and there might be ONE Dutrow fan out there.

casual fans please... I couldn't give Big Brown tees and merch away... Smarty stuff flew off the retailers shelves. Nobody cared about Big Turd or his ridiculous connections, as for Curlin he is a nice grade one horse who thankfully hung around for a 4 year old campaign, He is hardly a super horse he is hardly a super fast horse. Clearly Curlin is racing against swill and 4 mil of his bloated earning is from a race which he beat 12 horses from Uraguay South African and Turkey.. i have nothing against Curlin he is certainly a very good horse but can we save the real excitement for a real event not some manufactured BS race?

I think the Xtra heat filly winning her maiden with a 103 beyer is more exciting then watching Big Turd get crushed by some Mitchel 80 claimer on juice BC day..lol