Castellano isn't as lucky as Albertrani is to have that horse. His training job with Songster today was absolutely shameful.

Better than the Zapper?

I respectfully disagree. Bernarndini hasnt beaten older horses. Bernaradini doesnt look to be versatile enough to win grade 1 open company races at 6-10 furlongs.

Someone said Zapper did all his impressive running as an older horse. Did this person forget the vosburgh when he was three? That was arguably Zapper's most scintillating performance.

Shoot, saying he is better than Ghostzapper is apparently an understatement around these parts.

We are talking about the BEST HORSE IN 40 YEARS!!! PURE M.F. ING BRILLIANCE

He was in the lead on a slow pace in this overmatched field.

You are saying that bernardini could win a grade 1 open company race at 6 furlongs?

who said anything about him being "one dimensional"????? where did i ever say that?

I merely stated that he wasnt as versatile as GZ. Thats all.

No sweat. So what do you think? Do you think Bernarndini will be better than any other horse that has run in the new millenium?

Please explain how you cite Ghostzapper as "not one of the greats" for not running enough and then wish for someone to campaign Bellamy Road just like Frankel did Ghostzapper?

Are you saying that you don't think BR could ever be sound enough for a regular-type campaign, and that Ghostzapper's type of campaign would be good for him?

Or are you both criticizing and praising Frankel for the same thing?

Not necessarily related to my above question, but do you really know that much about horse racing? Honestly?

Or do you just like to pet horses? I'm serious, and I promise I'm not picking on you... I just want to know.

of course you would- so would i!

but what about Tiznow, mineshaft, dubai millenium or kalinisi? surely they would be in the gate as well.

see, i'd take tiznow....still remember his two bcc wins, and his super derby triumph.

well....actually....if the iron horse got a good ride, giant's causeway would be TOUGH to beat.

I agree completly. Any sheets player knows he was crazy fast and anyone who buys into the beyer numbers does also. Saying now that Bernardini is better or will be better than Ghostzapper is absolutely foolish. Comparing a horse who won the BCC in convincing fasion on the front end and ran a sub 1:34 mile off a six month layoff not even mentioning his unreal vosburgh or that out of the clouds move in the kings bishop to a three year old who has never competed against older horses is insane.

I will hold further judgement on him since I have reopened a window of controversy. I'll let Bernardini do the talking for me, which I am sure he will.

Matter of fact, I am going to watch that again...Thanks for reminding me how awesome was

unreal....nyra.com is down right now...

I was saying that BR will never be sound enough to take any other campaign other than a GZ type campaign, and BR may not even be able to handle that. Frankel did a wonderful job with GZ. GZ was a fragile horse that needed extremely careful management. Frankel knew when he could race the horse and when he couldn't. I think that it was only Frankel that kept the horse around as long as GZ stayed around. I will never criticize a trainer by doing the right thing by their horse.

Because GZ was so fragile, I can't consider him an all-time great dirt horse like Secretariat, Man O' War, or Spectacular Bid. Although, as far as talent goes, GZ was right there with them. It is the same with Bellamy Road. He will never be considered an all-time great, but he is a very talented horse that may have a Grade I or two left in him if they can keep him sound long enough to get him there which will almost certainly require a GZ-type campaign.

However, while GZ is not on my top ten list, I do consider him a great horse...just not an all-time great. Even horses that aren't considered all time greats in my mind such as Afleet Alex and Smarty Jones will be remembered by me for their brillant performances.

And I know a great deal about horses in general. I am a real horseman, not just someone who plays the ponies and chats on a message board about it. I work with horses on a daily basis. I have learned most of my knowledge of horse racing in the last year and a half. BTW, even jockeys like Jose Santos and trainers like Micheal Matz like to pet the horses. I could ask the same question to you...Do you really know much about horse racing? Honestly?