I find that it's not a very good idea to say "fractions aside" when they're that extreme.

My point is that it really shouldn't matter what happened in the third quarter since War Pass ran his last three furlongs in just under 41 seconds. How much ****ing slower does he have to go to make you consider that Court Vision should've been able to pass him, even if CV was 10 1/4 behind WP at the three-eighths?

Fractions aren't everything, but when a horse runs :22.46 around a turn and :46.07 on a glib track, then finishes in damn near :41 for three furlongs, they matter.

I've attached the chart for a third type of fast paced race. Here, there's a relatively loose leader, stalked but never really pressed, run down very late by a very good horse, that most thought ran unimpressively.

So, we have 3 cases:

1) fast fractions, pressure for a qtr, loose from then on, with the 2nd horse passing the staggering speed late

2) fast fractions, pressure throughout, off the pace horse winning

3) described above

If CV were compared to Curlin, he wouldn't be very good.:rolleyes:

Nice to see Visionaire's true colors when he doesn't have meltdown fractions to run at.

It's scary to think what Tale of Ekati would've done had he rightfully been kept around one turn.

You and I Forever ran surprisingly well - I was down on him after the PA Derby

You been saying it for a while Joe. Hope you got some on the win end.:tro:

I thought the sky was the limit for him after his Futurity win last year. I guess his limit is the one turn. On to the Cigar Mile?

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