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jjf1031 09-12-2008 09:26 AM
Drum Major second off the layoof for Weaver interests me a bit. Travers Day race was ok but feel horse has enough back class to be in the mix

Handicappy 09-12-2008 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
I don't like Shakis here, he seems to do his best running at the Spa.
Shakis is training very, very well and could pull this one out with Jersey Joe Bravo on Board. However he has not shown up on occasion for no clear reason and if the turf is soft, he tends not to like that. I do think Big Brown will be beaten here and am looking forward to handicapping this more carefully as it will be a great betting race.
No knock on BB but he has not shown the aggressiveness and turn of foot in the stretch he did up to the Preakness. He can be very rank and Monmouth's turf course has very tight turns. Plus he is going against older horses for the first time. There are just too many issues to confront here. I continue to be very puzzled with their choice of this spot as a BC Classic prep for him. He has got his hooves full and then some.

Pedigree Ann 09-12-2008 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by eajinabi
. Run him at turfway for Kentucky Cup. Turfway and SA are simmilar type surface as far as polytrack is concerned.
Turfway has a Polytrack surface tuned for its winter meet so that it will not freeze. Santa Anita has a new Pro-Ride track about which we know nothing yet. How can you say they are similar? Are you medium who can foretell the future?

Danzig 09-12-2008 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Turfway has a Polytrack surface tuned for its winter meet so that it will not freeze. Santa Anita has a new Pro-Ride track about which we know nothing yet. How can you say they are similar? Are you medium who can foretell the future?
i think he's more medium rare...:D

Slewbopper 09-12-2008 03:14 PM
ML...Brown 2/1, Shakis 7/2, Proudinsky 4/1, Silver Tree 6/1

RollerDoc 09-12-2008 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Slewbopper
ML...Brown 2/1, Shakis 7/2, Proudinsky 4/1, Silver Tree 6/1
Big Brown keyed on top of a trifecta should pay very nicely.

Danzig 09-12-2008 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Big Brown keyed on top of a trifecta should pay very nicely.
:rolleyes:

RollerDoc 09-12-2008 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
:rolleyes:
Breaking News........Based on Yahoo searches today, for some strange reason, Ike is now considered the more popular of the longtime candy duo Mike and Ike.

RollerDoc 09-12-2008 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Here's another thing you will learn, the ML is a joke most of the time. Don't count on 2-1, closer to 1-2.

Based on the sentiments of this Board (all the Big Brown naysayers), that is shocking. Why is Big Brown even the favorite, let alone a possible 1-2?

slotdirt 09-12-2008 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Based on the sentiments of this Board (all the Big Brown naysayers), that is shocking. Why is Big Brown even the favorite, let alone a possible 1-2?
People are dumb.

letswastemoney 09-12-2008 03:47 PM
Big Brown will be the favorite because not everyone can be as smart as the people on this board. The casual public will always bet down the famous horse.

RollerDoc 09-12-2008 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You seem to be missing what I am saying. I could care less about this race. I'm just letting you know that to trust the ML as some sort of evidence to what he will be come post time is foolish IMO. And again, it's not that it's Big brown naysayers, it's people that have a realistic view as to his place in the game. But, since you mention it, considering he has accomplished less on the turf than the entire field, he's a horrible favorite. I understand why he is the favorite, but he should not be.
I appreciate the part about the morning line. I'm curious. It sounds like you think he probably won't win. So do many others tomorrow. If he wins tomorrow and the BCC, does he deserve a higher level of respect fom the horseracing world in terms of how good he is?

Quiet Chris 09-12-2008 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
I appreciate the part about the morning line. I'm curious. It sounds like you think he probably won't win. So do many others tomorrow. If he wins tomorrow and the BCC, does he deserve a higher level of respect fom the horseracing world in terms of how good he is?
Only if he wins the BCC.

Danzig 09-12-2008 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Only if he wins the BCC.
let's get him thru tomorrow first.

as to the bc, not just if he wins, but the manner in which he wins, and who he beats.

Handicappy 09-12-2008 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Big Brown keyed on top of a trifecta should pay very nicely.
If he wins. It is not a sure thing at all. And I would be very surprised if he wins. No offense to the horse or anything. Just too much to overcome for a horse that has not been at his best since May.

PSH 09-12-2008 07:16 PM
Monmouth
 
Proudinsky 4-1 ML
Win and Place

blackthroatedwind 09-12-2008 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PSH
Proudinsky 4-1 ML
Win and Place
He's not that likely to run.

ninetoone 09-12-2008 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He's not that likely to run.
Why?


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