On capital OTB this morning they had a clip from Hialeah. It was the race Buckpasser won the Flamingo. He raced neck to neck with two other horses around the entire turn and all of a sudden another horse passed them like they were standing still and was ahead by open lengths. Buckpasser unbelievably reved up and overtook him at the wire.

Never seen anything like that..unreal

And here is the race in part from youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Sy-...eature=related

Speaking of Sniper... do you have any fillies and mares on your list?? I dont know who Hindoo, Kingston, and Salvator are but I know in the 1900's and 2000's you did not include any filly or mare..

I think that is WAY off...

Since 2000 not one pitcher has had more than 9 complete games in in one season. Phil Niekro had over 20 complete games in 77-78-79. Fernando had 20 in 1986 and Tom Seaver has 21 in 1971. If you look at the pitchers (starting) in the Hall of Fame prior to 1990, they all have multiple years in which they had over 20 complete games multiple times. Tom Glavin who will be in the Hall has never had more than 9 complete games, Greg Maddox had 10 complete games twice in his career. So the expecation of number of complete games has decreased as a measure for inductiuon into the hall of fame.

No, cause like I said I'm not counting a horse that is regarded as great for a filly. Male horses are just plain faster than female horses on average so it isn't surprising that the best of all time are males.

I think it is ridiculous to ignore their sex. She would have to be on that list. also Ruffian, Lady's Secret and a few others... like maybe Regret?

The way you describe... Billy Jean King couldnt be an "elite" tennis player because she couldnt have beat Arthur Ashe or Pete Sampras??

If I open it up to great for a filly then we get great for a sprinter and so on until someone is naming the fastest female turf sprinter of all time as a great. Look at the bloodhorse top 100, the highest female was 35th. This is the same concept.

I think they are as old as you....is that really old? :p

Ruffian ran track records the first two times she hit the track, never trailed at any point of any race, and averaged winning by 9 lengths. I don't care who she did it against, that is greatness. It's just my opinion, but I think she could have outrun all but a handful of horses that ever lived- male or female- at 5 to 8 furlongs.

......nice group of horses and a good memory c shell.

I think Personal Ensign was pretty good

I think Zippy Chippy should be considered. 100-0-8-12 is freaking impressive. It is hard to win, but I think it is more hard not to win a race with 100 lifetime starts.

There are a few at MNR working on topping his record

crazy, she was very good, but so was Azeri. Take away the in the slop blow out win and her record was very good, but probably not even HOF material.

Azeri was champion mare 3 years running, while carrying weight, winning in 4 states and 8 tracks and two trainers (one of which was not very good).

Out of millions and millions and millions of horses, you think 22 is too many?

I like Cannon Shell's list except for maybe Cigar.

Manila is a no brainer.

I would also consider Majestic Prince. Nine wins and a second in ten starts, with that lone loss being as a result of an injury after which he never ran again.

He won some big races and was absolutely brilliant.

Twenty years ago, he always came up on these all time great lists but he's become a forgotten great.

For the elite of the elite? Absolutely. In basketball history would you consider the 30th best player of all time to be the elite of the elite just cause there are millions who have played basketball? I wouldn't.

Bold Ruler still needs to be on there on this forum too!

Seabiscuit? Sunday Silence?

Are you serious? Here are 50 players..you name the 21 that shouldnt be on the list.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Nate Archibald

Paul Arizin

Charles Barkley

Rick Barry

Elgin Baylor

Dave Bing

Larry Bird

Wilt Chamberlain

Bob Cousy

Dave Cowens

Billy Cunningham

Dave DeBusschere

Clyde Drexler

Julius Erving

Patrick Ewing

Walt Frazier

George Gervin

Hal Greer

John Havlicek

Elvin Hayes

Magic Johnson

Sam Jones

Michael Jordan

Jerry Lucas

Karl Malone

Moses Malone

Pete Maravich

Kevin McHale

George Mikan

Earl Monroe

Hakeem Olajuwon

Shaquille O'Neal

Robert Parish

Bob Pettit

Scottie Pippen

Willis Reed

Oscar Robertson

David Robinson

Bill Russell

Dolph Schayes

Bill Sharman

John Stockton

Isiah Thomas

Nate Thurmond

Wes Unseld

Bill Walton

Jerry West

Lenny Wilkens

James Worthy

Archibald, Bing, Cowens, Cunningham, Gervin, Greer, Hayes, SJones, Lucas, Monroe, PArrish, Pippen, Sharman, Stockton, Thurmond, Walton,. There's a start.