You are missing the point. I understand that they are big outfits because they win. But they arent the only trainers that can win. It may seem like it on the surface but it does have a lot to do with attitude. Because if you continue to employ trainers who repeatedly get suspended and have violations than you are doing nothing more than condoning his actions. If owners were serious about "cleaning up" the game they could start by sending horses elsewhere. THAT would get these guys attention quicker than 6 month suspensions.

Just win baby "al davis"

Actually it wont

You are 100% correct here. The owners that tolerate this stuff need to be called out, starting with those that employ guys like Dutrow and Asmussen. But has a single member of the media asked Jess "I Want to Clean Up the Game" Jackson why he uses Asmussen as his trainer? If they have, I must have missed his response.

There will always be another new owner with fresh money looking to win NOW.. Owners can't and will never legislate themselves you are being completely naive.. You go to Disney after you win the superbowl.. Who would send horses to a guy who isn't on the cutting edge and ahead of the curve.. Drugs aren't always the reason why these guys win more.. Maybe its a hyberbaric chamber maybe its swimming a horse maybe its running them up hills in Maryland.. Chuck there are only a few elite trainers who can offer an owner with unlimited funds unlimited super care and conditioning..

masking agents dont work anymore. How many times will you bring up the "mystery" masking agent scam?

I hear trainer Charles Simon is on the short list for IEAH replacement for Dutrow.

Which is why the game is so screwed up and no amount of federal intervention or central command can change it. There is a difference between being on the cutting edge and doing illegal things. Unfortunately it seems like the lines have blurred so much that people cant see the difference and worse dont care. Any trainer can offer an owner with unlimited funds these things Freddy. Swimming, hyperbaric, off track training...these things are available to anyone if they are given the funds. These guys are not staying big despite the bad press because they give gastrogard. Owners stay there because they are too insecure or egotistical to admit they dont care HOW they are winning. You cant expect every big owner to have a moral conscience but it would be nice to see one.

Chuck...new Jockey for Big Brown when you take over?

Bringing Bailey out of retirement but he cant use the whip

HEY not fair

some of us lose because the jockey is an idiot:confused:, some of us lose because the trainer is using designer:cool:drugs
can't I lose because of the mystery masking agent scam?? :D:rolleyes:

Well we know the Shiek doesn't use drugs in Dubai..lol

If you find out what the mystery is be sure to let us know

How is the intentional, sabotage, contamination aspect going to be dealt with? 24 hour security? Cost? The end is desireable, I agree with you -- but the means are just not feasible.

OTOH, if this horse came back at some massive level, the highest ever seen -- what exactly are we talking about here? 100% intentional in order to cash a ticket, knowing the horse would come up positive, giving up the purse and knowing you'll only get a "first offense" hit because you've never had a problem in KY?

Eric

Yes, this is very much a problem.

Eric

Do they use whips on the camels?

Would someone please give Chuck some f'n horses so he has less time to post on this site.

Why would anyone knowingly want to lose money?

Why don't any of these racing scribes ask Dutrow to explain how this horse was given that much bronchodilating medication? If you gave that much albuterol or salbuterol to a human being their heart would be going so fast you might be breaking indoor speed records after they had their massive heart attack.