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10 pnt move up 06-19-2008 07:04 PM

horse never lifted a hoof, even saved every inch of ground and not even a slight late move.....we need more articles like that one.

blackthroatedwind 06-19-2008 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
finished up the track, what a shocker.


Yeah, but it was a key race, so what did you expect.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-19-2008 07:06 PM

They need to breed her back to Indian Charlie...

Or maybe even Saarland.

ArlJim78 06-19-2008 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Yeah, but it was a key race, so what did you expect.

not sure if you're joking around, but it could turn out to be a key race.
several of the others were flying along and looked sharp.

cmorioles 06-19-2008 07:16 PM

Bet the one horse when he runs on real dirt.

blackthroatedwind 06-19-2008 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
not sure if you're joking around, but it could turn out to be a key race.
several of the others were flying along and looked sharp.


I honestly think predicting races will be key races is about as laughably a stupid concept as I have ever heard in racing.

Key races, by their very nature, can't be uncovered until horses run back. And, furthermore, a true key race is NOT ( necessarily ) one where two or more horses win their following starts.

But, hey, people should believe what they want to believe.

cmorioles 06-19-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I honestly think predicting races will be key races is about as laughably a stupid concept as I have ever heard in racing.

Key races, by their very nature, can't be uncovered until horses run back. And, furthermore, a true key race is NOT ( necessarily ) one where two or more horses win their following starts.

But, hey, people should believe what they want to believe.

Supposed "key" races usually have a lot more to do with where the trainers spot the horses next out. I think these days, the only real edge is if you think a race is getting a speed figure that comes back lower than the horses are capable of running, for whatever reason.

blackthroatedwind 06-19-2008 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Supposed "key" races usually have a lot more to do with where the trainers spot the horses next out. I think these days, the only real edge is if you think a race is getting a speed figure that comes back lower than the horses are capable of running, for whatever reason.


Right, there are so many factors involved, and as usual, people oversimplify them, mostly because they're lazy, and miss out on what's really good ( while falling prey to what is bad ).

ArlJim78 06-19-2008 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I honestly think predicting races will be key races is about as laughably a stupid concept as I have ever heard in racing.

Key races, by their very nature, can't be uncovered until horses run back. And, furthermore, a true key race is NOT ( necessarily ) one where two or more horses win their following starts.

But, hey, people should believe what they want to believe.

of course, did someone call it a key race beforehand?

blackthroatedwind 06-19-2008 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
of course, did someone call it a key race beforehand?

Not if you use the ignore button correctly.

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-19-2008 07:28 PM

i thought zaftigs msw win at gs was a key race..i was correct......

ArlJim78 06-19-2008 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Not if you use the ignore button correctly.

oh, now i see where that came from. i guess my eye has developed a built-in auto-ignore because i had passed right over that one.

cmorioles 06-19-2008 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
i thought zaftigs msw win at gs was a key race..i was correct......

Garden State is still open? I thought it was turned into a shopping center.

Danzig 06-19-2008 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Not if you use the ignore button correctly.

zing!

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-19-2008 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Garden State is still open? I thought it was turned into a shopping center.

gulf stream..:rolleyes:

blackthroatedwind 06-19-2008 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
i thought zaftigs msw win at gs was a key race..i was correct......


I would have to look at the subsequent efforts from the other horses in the race. Which horses in the race ran significantly better in their NEXT start?

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-19-2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I would have to look at the subsequent efforts from the other horses in the race. Which horses in the race ran significantly better in their NEXT start?

5 next out winners maybee 6

jcs11204 06-19-2008 07:47 PM

[quote=ArlJim78]finished up the track, what a shocker.[
i actually was shocked.. thought he'd run a lot better then that.

blackthroatedwind 06-19-2008 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
5 next out winners maybee 6


How much better did they run in their following starts? Were any of the wins on turf? In maiden claiming races? On polytrack? Sloppy tracks? Cheaper tracks?

blackthroatedwind 06-19-2008 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i actually was shocked.. thought he'd run a lot better then that.

Based on what?


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