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blackthroatedwind 06-15-2008 06:38 PM
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A Penna, Sr.?

No. Was he considered a wild man?

Cannon Shell 06-15-2008 06:40 PM
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If Curlin is HOY with only one US win then the Eclipse awards become even more meaningless. There is a precedent for being turf champ with one turf win but I suppose it depends if there are others with multiple turf wins. As for Big Brown, if he wins the Travers, another horse will have to do something exceptional to beat him for HOY. Of course, I look forward to our first Polytrack HOY. I'm sure Michael Dickinson would vote for him.
Einstein??? That would be some irony. Say he were to win the Arl Million or Pacific Classic, JC Gold Cup and BC Classic, Curlin doesnt run here anymore and BB comes back and gets beat again? It is not impossible.

Cannon Shell 06-15-2008 06:41 PM
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No. Was he considered a wild man?
No but he did train in France and I couldnt think of anyone else.

blackthroatedwind 06-15-2008 06:44 PM
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No but he did train in France and I couldnt think of anyone else.
There was a trainer who was known as " Wild Man " blank. You must know that. I think the last time I saw him was years ago in the Belmont paddock when he bleached his hair.

blackthroatedwind 06-15-2008 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Einstein??? That would be some irony. Say he were to win the Arl Million or Pacific Classic, JC Gold Cup and BC Classic, Curlin doesnt run here anymore and BB comes back and gets beat again? It is not impossible.

Einstein is not winning the JC Gold Cup. He has no acceleration on dirt.

ateamstupid 06-15-2008 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jcs11204
NO, NOTHING SPECIAL...curlin was never asked, and einsten barley outfinished a 20-1 shot, who is really just a horse for the deleware course
Not saying that Einstein ran huge, but that 20-1 shot was allowed to get away with murder on the front end.

Cannon Shell 06-15-2008 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
There was a trainer who was known as " Wild Man " blank. You must know that. I think the last time I saw him was years ago in the Belmont paddock when he bleached his hair.
Billy Wright?

blackthroatedwind 06-15-2008 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Billy Wright?

What took you so long?

Cannon Shell 06-15-2008 06:48 PM
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Einstein is not winning the JC Gold Cup. He has no acceleration on dirt.
I suppose he will still have license issues but the handicap division has never been more disgraceful than it may be this fall.

Cannon Shell 06-15-2008 06:48 PM
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What took you so long?
I have tried to eliminate all memories of WWW

Cannon Shell 06-15-2008 06:49 PM
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Not saying that Einstein ran huge, but that 20-1 shot was allowed to get away with murder on the front end.
I am not saying he ran huge either but he is pretty consistent and he tries hard which is more than most of the rest of them can say

blackthroatedwind 06-15-2008 06:50 PM
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I suppose he will still have license issues but the handicap division has never been more disgraceful than it may be this fall.
I suppose but there might be some improving 3YOs ( what if Mint Lane's for real? ) and it won't take much to beat Einstein.

God, I wonder what is going to line up for the Suburban.

blackthroatedwind 06-15-2008 06:52 PM
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I have tried to eliminate all memories of WWW
I didn't know him.

Didn't he run El Senor in the Arc?

Scurlogue Champ 06-15-2008 06:54 PM
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The funny thing is that even if by some chance he likes the grass, and ran in the Arlington Million and won, he would still get his head handed to him in the Arc.

Believe me, I would admire them for going, and think it would be neat....but he would get positively drowned. You really need to be at the Arc and see them hosing down the course to appreciate how different the racing is over there.
The level of asswhipping he would receive in the Arc would be a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10.

I think they should just win the Arlington Million and BC Turf and call it a day.

Cannon Shell 06-15-2008 06:55 PM
I know sometimes we may be overly critical of crops and divisions and such things but this is really a totally talentless older horse division with one notable exception. I mean honestly who has any real ability besides Curlin? It is a collection of marginally talented knockarounds who show up once in a while and over the hill horses who were never really that good anyway. I guess some of the polymonsters can deflect the issue a bit but these older horses really suck.

blackthroatedwind 06-15-2008 06:55 PM
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The level of asswhipping he would receive in the Arc would be a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10.

Agreed. I would hate to see it to be honest.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-15-2008 06:57 PM
Mint Lane isn't much.

Cannon Shell 06-15-2008 06:58 PM
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I didn't know him.

Didn't he run El Senor in the Arc?
He may have but i dont remember him doing so.

He was a good dude but really certifiable. Last time i saw him was at Hialeah.

blackthroatedwind 06-15-2008 07:00 PM
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Mint Lane isn't much.

You're preaching to the choir....but where the hell did his race Friday come from?

jcs11204 06-15-2008 07:19 PM
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If Curlin is HOY with only one US win then the Eclipse awards become even more meaningless. There is a precedent for being turf champ with one turf win but I suppose it depends if there are others with multiple turf wins. As for Big Brown, if he wins the Travers, another horse will have to do something exceptional to beat him for HOY. Of course, I look forward to our first Polytrack HOY. I'm sure Michael Dickinson would vote for him.
heatseeker is legit for horse of the year...especially if he wins BCC


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