That's so wrong. You're supposed to be his friend and build him up.

Scav.....you're hanging out with the wrong guys ( and not reading enough ).

Ok, I have to stop things there. Since when is it hard to find action in the non-350 lb. category at Saratoga?

its not, but GPK proceeded to try and alter my focus from the racing form to 350lb woman that HE wanted....He was trying to throw the handsome young buck to do the dirty work so they he can try and use his old man charm to seal the deal on minimum effort. I didn't fall for it.

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What happened after that race was ridiculous. There is always an outrider with a walkie-talkie at the same spot on the track. Aside from a breakdown or other incident, they are there for the sole purpose of relaying any claim of foul. If you ever wondered how it can be that races are posted official before the horses all return to be unsaddled it is because they have all passed the designated outrider on their return from the gallop out. That's how it's supposed to work anyway.

Maybe the stewards mistakenly thought this happened but then again, what were they looking at during the race? It seemed pretty clear that there was some action in there. The stewards should be fined or otherwise disciplined as should the outrider.

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What exactly did the stewards do that you know is wrong?

:cool: ::rolleyes: ;)

They are responsible for the race. From the time thay go on the track to the time the weigh out is done. That includes a reasonable time frame to allow for an objection, which they did not do. If they screwed up and thought the horses had passed the deignated outrider, they should be fined. If they didn't bother to see if that happened, they should be fined more. It really doesn't matter one bit if it would have been a valid foul claim. There were two photos in the race so it wasn't super quick. Either they screwed up or Garcia lied and maybe figured there'd be an inquiry.

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You're making an awful lot of assumptions to have such an absolute opinion.

Races aren't made official after the weigh out any more in most cases. How do you know exactly how it works between the outriders and the stewards?

Maybe the stewards are responsible. But for you to be so absolute without knowing anything close to any of the facts seems a little puzzling.

What's so puzzling? Yeah, I know they don't wait for the weigh out. They DO wait to "clear" the race of objection in the manner I described.

Aside from you doubting my knowledge, perhaps you can tell me how it could be possible to do it any other way?

The facts? Really now, what exactly are the facts? That is aside from either Garcia lying or the stewards screwing up.

I don't doubt your knowledge, I know it helps you to think it's personal, I think you are jumping to conclusions without anything close to all the facts. You seem to think this is a black and white, or either/or, stuation and I don't.

I never said it is impossible the stewards didn't screw up, but unlike you I am not ready to pin blame on people based on scattered information coming, essentially, from a jockey.

My best guess is the stewards reviewed the incident as the race was going on, decided it was not worthy of further review ( whether any of us agree or disagree with this decision is irrelevent ), and made the race official when they didn't hear from the outriders. I don't know for sure that an outrider was negligent, though perhaps he was, just as I don't know that the stewards were negligent, though perhaps they were. I just don't know. You seem to. How exactly I'm not sure.

What I see far too often on the internet is people jumping to semi-hysterical conclusions based on, at best, a shred of evidence. Now, I don't lump you in this category at all....but in this instance that's what I think you are doing. That doesn't mean I discount the possibility that you are right. I just don't see your comments as fair considering the lack of information.

No, I don't take it personal. When I read things like, "...you don't know..." I just take it in the spirit offered, whatever that may be.

Do this... the next time you go to the track and there is a jockey objection that goes up before the riders return, ask yourself, "How did that happen?"

Huh? Are you suggesting I don't understand how jockey objections are relayed?

Now that's funny. Thanks for reading my posts.

Let's just say I know for a fact that no outrider was chosen to take an objection. I also know it as fact that someone connected with the track advised the stewards prior to the race ending that they better look at that incident. And finally, it is a fact that there is an inquiry into what actually happened in the Stewards room.

All I know is, bet white tie next time out because that was an impressive run after that serious of a check.

I see a lot of " I know for a fact " posts on the internet.....and most are a friend of a friend of a friend told my brother's gym teacher's paperboy's father's ex-boss's bartender.;)

I'll find out if they're looking into it....but actually in this case I assume it's true.

I do look forward to betting against White Tie at 2:5 next time. I didn't like how he hung late in the race.

I will add that it seems unlikely that anybody associated with the track " advised the stewards prior to the race ending that they better look at that incident. "

The race took just over a minute, on the most hectic and crowded day of the year, and even if this wasn't an unlikely event in general, it seems particularly ridiculous that it would have happened Saturday.

Just think about it for a minute.

It's not my job to comfort the afflicted, but the afflict the comforted:D

HUNG LATE? YOUR SERIOUS! First time out, the horse is cut off, loses 3 to 4 lengths and then comes on in the stretch and loses by a length and change. Forget about hanging late. The horse just showed you, first time out what kind of heart he was. You are right, at 2/5 it is no bet. But to bet against him? Well that is just plain foolish. :zz: All due respect. :D