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blackthroatedwind 06-02-2008 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
I couldn't agree more.

I purposely try to avoid remembering the names of horses. They are the 3, or the 5, or whatever, and I look at them fresh and compare them to the other horses running against said horse TODAY. Of course with the top horses, you'll remember some things, but even then it is best to avoid any preconceptions.


This actually gets me in trouble when I do shows about races....I honestly don't know a lot of horses' names. It's not a problem when it's a simple name but when it's the least bit complicated, and I haven't learned it, I end up embarrassing myself.

I have the same problem with jockeys, as I never know who's riding the horses I like and/or bet, as pretty much I consider them as important to my handicapping as the horses' names.

the_fat_man 06-02-2008 11:37 PM

PPs as presently presented are outdated. Is looking at each horse's races individually the best way to go? I mean, where's the important part, the CONTEXT of the race. And, as most handicappers are 'numbers' oriented, I don't expect things to change much in the near future. To me, they're basically useless.

Bobby Fischer 06-02-2008 11:38 PM

So Evening Attire is finished...

Imawildncrazyguy is too cheap and slow...

who is winning the Brooklyn?? This race could be the key to getting some brown money with that double. It may also have value of it's own.

Is Sightseeing a toss?

blackthroatedwind 06-02-2008 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
PPs as presently presented are outdated. Is looking at each horse's races individually the best way to go? I mean, where's the important part, the CONTEXT of the race. And, as most handicappers are 'numbers' oriented, I don't expect things to change much in the near future. To me, they're basically useless.

They're basically just a reference point. You use them to know where to go to disect a horse's races.

viscount26 06-03-2008 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
If he doesn't, he owes me for that round I bought last year:eek:

You did!! I must have missed that one
:rolleyes:

the_fat_man 06-03-2008 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
They're basically just a reference point. You use them to know where to go to disect a horse's races.

Here's a suggestion for DRF (or any of the data providers); and this applies only for the ONLINE version:

combine a graphical history of each horse's races with other relevant textual data (workouts, breeding, etc.)

I know I'd buy something like this (assuming the data would be just a bit more accurate, of course)

This would, among other things, let us actually see the 'form cycle' of horses that all the numbers guys are constantly referring to.

This would go a long way towards 'revolutionizing' handicapping.

Bobby Fischer 06-03-2008 02:39 PM

still trying to make sense of the Brooklyn.

Theres a romantic notion that Sightseeing is going to relish the distance, and his too-little-too late style and cool trainer will win out. I just don't see it.

Nite Light , Delosvientos and Angliana are my contenders.

GPK 06-03-2008 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by viscount26
You did!! I must have missed that one
:rolleyes:


That because they don't let your type in Siros:cool:

Scav 06-03-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
That because they don't let your type in Siros:cool:

Was that when I was Dan Illman?

Cajungator26 06-03-2008 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
That because they don't let your type in Siros:cool:

If they let you in, they'll let anyone in. :D

:p

GPK 06-03-2008 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
If they let you in, they'll let anyone in. :D

:p


Good point:o

Pedigree Ann 06-06-2008 04:01 AM

No mention of Moral Compass? Coming off of a win (not many in here with that on their records), a close 3rd in a G3 stakes before that, and ran well on yeilding turf at 2.

That said, this is a one-turn mile, not unlike the Woodbine races of Prussian, so this may be just up his alley. Don't overlook Dynhocracy, who has run well in previous turf races and whose his pedigree (Spend a Buck over Dynaformer) says he should be improving as he grows up. But 8f may be too short for him; his great-grandmummy Persian Tiara loved to beat up on the guys over marathon distances. I watched her win the 13f Seneca H-G3 at Saratoga in heavy ground back in the day.

Norfolk 06-06-2008 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
So Evening Attire is finished...

?

I guess if he is finished they should retire all those young the horses that finished behind him.:)

ArlJim78 06-06-2008 04:47 PM

actually evening attire finished stronger than anyone in the field.
the winner was almost walking at the wire.

my miss storm cat 06-06-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Norfolk
I guess if he is finished they should retire all those young the horses that finished behind him.:)

:D

Congrats!

Pedigree Ann 06-06-2008 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
No mention of Moral Compass? Coming off of a win (not many in here with that on their records), a close 3rd in a G3 stakes before that, and ran well on yeilding turf at 2.

That said, this is a one-turn mile, not unlike the Woodbine races of Prussian, so this may be just up his alley. .

Okay, my horses were 2nd and 3rd. Story of my life. At least they beat Hatta Fort.:D

Is this redboarding?

the_fat_man 06-06-2008 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Okay, my horses were 2nd and 3rd. Story of my life. At least they beat Hatta Fort.:D

Is this redboarding?


Gio Ponti was a stickout against these horses. Had you played it correctly, you'd have hit the triple.

ALmost there.

tiggerv 06-06-2008 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Gio Ponti was a stickout against these horses. Had you played it correctly, you'd have hit the triple.

ALmost there.

This is redboarding

the_fat_man 06-06-2008 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv
This is redboarding

Check your facts.

Coach Pants 06-06-2008 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv
This is redboarding

It isn't.

He liked Gio Ponti. Doesn't take away the fact that he's a huge douchebag know-it-all blowhard.


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