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Coach Pants 06-02-2008 08:42 AM

A dead closer against the boys? Uh no.

RolloTomasi 06-02-2008 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I'm not sure how that addresses the fact that both have only run five times and have further room for improvement.

It doesn't, but it does address a significant difference between BB and Zenyatta, the latter whom you consider "every bit as impressive" as the former. I took the basis of your post to be a comparison between those two horses as far as facing each other in the BC Classic goes.

Maybe I was mistaken and it was just meant to let everyone know that Zenyatta had only run 5 times. Because no one but you had realized this.

And just to stir the pot a little more, what raises more questions as far as physical condition and susceptibility to injury goes, a 3yo with only 5 career starts or a 4yo (that happens to be about 17 hands) with only 5 career starts?

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In fact, I'd even say that means that Zenyatta has more room since we already know what BB can do at 10f but haven't seen Zenyatta try it yet.
So basically, you are trying to sugar-coat the fact that Zenyatta has more question marks on paper than Big Brown?

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As weak as you may think Ginger Punch is, do you think any of the 3yo's that Big Brown have faced this year are better than her?
Wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point was that the form Ginger Punch showed at Oaklawn wasn't the form that garnered her the 2007 Eclipse. Was Gayego's Arkansas Derby a stronger performance than Ginger Punch's 3rd in the Apple Blossom? Yes. Does that somehow mean that BB, who crushed Gayego unceremoniously in his last two, is better than Zenyatta? No.

Rupert Pupkin 07-05-2008 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
..that we might see Zenyatta in the Breeders' Cup Classic.
(unless somene else has already suggested this)

I don't know if you saw the interview with Shireffs after the race today. Christina O. asked him if he has considered running Zenyatta in the BC Classic. He responded, "Not at all."

Scav 07-05-2008 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I don't know if you saw the interview with Shireffs after the race today. Christina O. asked him if he has considered running Zenyatta in the BC Classic. He responded, "Not at all."

LOL....She didn't look that impressive today either, if the 1 didn't have to steady and then go outside, I think she wins.....

Rupert Pupkin 07-05-2008 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
LOL....She didn't look that impressive today either, if the 1 didn't have to steady and then go outside, I think she wins.....

I agree that she was not overly impressive today. And as you said, the other filly may have beaten her with a clean trip.

ArlJim78 07-05-2008 05:02 PM

still a pretty good result for her "off" day.

Bogey 07-05-2008 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
If Big Brown and Curlin aren't in the Classic, Heatseeker is the favorite... end of story.


Zenyatta is a SUPER nice filly, obviously the best out there right now. Almost Azeri-esque. Overcame a LOT today and still won for fun. But I'm not sure she's ready for the Classic... yet.

Heatseeker retired this week. A big blow to the handicap division.

2Hot4TV 07-05-2008 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
Too soon.

No it's not.

Bobby Fischer 07-05-2008 05:22 PM

einstein , champs elysees, whoever's hot at about a mile over in europe

eajinabi 07-05-2008 05:25 PM

I agree, she did not perform like her usual self. Smith had to work and if the Tough Tiz Sis had not get herself into trouble then zenyatta loses.

10 pnt move up 07-05-2008 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
I agree, she did not perform like her usual self. Smith had to work and if the Tough Tiz Sis had not get herself into trouble then zenyatta loses.

you dont know if she picks it back up when the other filly got to her, she was goofing around the whole race.

I wish they would run her on dirt at saratoga, they likely are not going to del mar, shirreffs does not like the new del mar surface.


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