Umm. . . Weren't you the one who said Visionaire would win this race by 15 lengths?

This guy said that.

Explains alot.


I guess he has locked up The Idiot of the Month award for May.

Is it April Fool's day every day in your world ?


You honestly think First Defence ran better than Commentator the other day?

It's easier to set wicked fractions then chase them?

Where in god's name do you come up with this stuff ?


Nice opininion there Charles Manson jr.

Not very good...fine...just like EVERY other 3 yr old except BB and Casino Drive.

I dont think a TON of him...but in this year's crop he is ok. Gotham was a bad field..as was Fl Derby...Hutcheson...Lecomte...and every other 3 yr old race.

You think enough of him to make him the 15 length winner of the Ohio Derby.

LOL, this whole thing started because you said Visionaire would win this race by 15 lengths. I never said the other two were tons better than him, I was just pointing out how ridiculous that was.

Nice spelling there douchenozzle. Why don't you jump off my sack? At least Andy is funny when he breaks my balls.

YES! This is the Joey I know and adore. :cool:

Rumor is that after Garrett Gomez goes to Ohio to ride Z Fortune to the Ohio Derby win, he's gonna DH for the Cleveland Indians for awhile.

Can't be any worse than Travis Hafner, I wouldn't think.

I'll throw in Stolen Chevy along with the two Derby also rans, but I like in the win spot Cherokee Artist...the fresh face ;)

I think the fact that Celtic Meal is in the race will probably ensure that Stolen Chevy has little chance here.
I doubt that I will end up betting this race, but if I do, I agree with you on Cherokee Artist.


To me it certainly seems like Smooth Air only wants one turn, but if he is ever going to win a two-turn graded stakes race, this is probably it. I'm STILL trying to figure out why some people here thought he was a contender going 10f.

I was being sarcastic.....my bad. But seriously I think he is good enough to handle this putrid field.

Was being sarcastic....sorry about that. But in all seriousness I think he could beat this field......rather pathetic bunch.

It's nothing personal...anyone who thinks that FD ran a better race than Commentator deserves Idiot of the Month. If needed there can be multiple winners for May.

But Dew's worked so hard for the honor.

Seriously though, I never said FD ran better on Monday. I said I thought he's as good as Commentator, maybe better. That may or may not prove to be true (depending on one's criteria). For the record, I don't think anybody in the Met ran all that well.

LOL at douchenozzle.

Come on Joey. He's clearly reasonably talented, but has now bombed in two of his three biggest tests. Commentator has does some great things on the racetrack. Honestly, there is zero chance he is close to as good as Commentator.

The unfortunate thing is that First Defence might have had a shot to beat Benny the Bull in the True North. An outside shot but maybe catching that one in his first start since Dubai would have evened things up a little. I understand why Frankel took a shot in the Met Mile, as it would have meant ten times as much, but ultimately if First Defence is going to do anything it will probably be at 6F or MAYBE 7F.

The simple fact is he's been a major disappointment and if he wasn't a Jeddmonte/Frankel horse, based on his overall pps, nobody would really pay him much mind.

the relative talent comparision between Commentator and First Defence was played out perfectly in the Met Mile. It wasn't the greatest looking race in the end but one thing that should have come out of the result is that First Defence was no match.

It's easy sometimes, at least in our minds, to compare horses from the same barn and I can't help but think of Latent Heat. Well, Latent Heat at least won the Malibu, albeit with a perfect trip, but he too was ultimately a disappointment. He, however, would have drowned First Defence.

But, you're absolutely right, Monday's race showed the chasm of difference in their talents. Commentator at 7 is still much better than First Defence who should be running in peak form midway through his 4YO year. There's simply no comparison between the two horses.

I said the same thing about Divine Park, and I don't see you giving me **** about that. ;)