Have you ever thought about selling your picks online? I've got an idea where you're live on cam and after each race if your horse loses you take off an item of clothing.

I think this could be a fantastic business opportunity. PM me for more details.

:rolleyes:

I do not want a job in the racing business.

I can agree with you somewhat. I think it is somewhere in the middle. Some dirt horses can't run on the stuff, and some turf horses can't run on the stuff.

The polytrack at Del Mar seems to definitely favor turf horses though.

As long as certain posters are around, I wouldn't have to be worried that it would be me. Incredible. This is an incredibly slow crop of horses.

There is little doubt that I would be the first.

Well at this point they are slow. So far in January, February and March, they have indeed been slow. That is not to say that one or a few of them may start running very fast in April and May and later on in the year, but right none of them are running "fast" so to speak. Even Big Brown's "fast" run was against turf horses off turf in mud...or something like that.

They aren't slow, and I tried to point that out. Just because the figs say they are slow does not mean that they are... Just because the Cali horses are going to take a huge jump in BSFS (like Sierra Sunset did) when they come East does not mean that they have improved.

So, like I said, how does El Gato Malo go from a 99 to an 85 when he runs his guts out in both races?

How does visionaire jump up to a 98 without switching leads while Pyro only got a 95 while beating Visionaire in the Risen Star. Does that mean that I should think that Pyro is slow and that Visionaire is the better horse?

If someone would answer these questions, maybe I would quit spewing the "nonsense" and think that these horses are "slow" too like the rest of you since the figures say so.

Well, please explain the logic behind the numbers then. I really don't understand. Never claimed to understand. In fact, I said I didn't understand the logic several times. Do BSFs not take pace into account?

Can you use "painfully obvious," agenda" and "bad opinion" in the same sentence?

I really don't understand how this has turned into a three page discussion of whether or not this crop is slow so far. With the exception of War Pass, and a couple of decent races by horses chasing him last year, they've been dreadfully slow.

When every figure maker out there has figures that say they are slow compared to years past, it seems like a foregone conclusion that they are slow. Don't like Beyers? Cool, check another source. They all say this bunch is slow.

"I liked the way he looked in the stretch" does not make a horse fast, it means you like the the way the horse looked in the stretch. I've seen 4K claimers who look great in the stretch at Hawthorne in the middle of winter -- shall I sign them up for the Wood, since this new style of analysis that I've learned in this thread this afternoon has taught me what equals fast?

Damn all the numbers. It really is outrageous, how disconnected from racing reality some of the comments here are.

I will ask again since no one seems to want to answer a sincere question...

Please explain the logic behind the numbers then. I really don't understand. Never claimed to understand. In fact, I said I didn't understand the logic several times. Do BSFs take pace into account?

Without getting real specific....speed numbers sanitize actual finish time to adjust for (among other things) track condition, weather, distance, track to track differences.

They are part Art and part Science but they are definately more relavent than raw final time comparisons

I have never seen one, and I have watched Hawthorne quite a bit. Can you point out an example, so that I can watch one of these on race replays.

Thank you for explaining this. So they don't take pace into account like I thought? If they don't, it explains a whole lot, and I really don't think that I am wrong to think that some of these horses aren't slow.

In a nutshell, you don't know either right? I offered a lot of reasons to why I disagree. My argument was very logical. Pace makes the race, and since BSFs do not take pace into account...well.

Visionaire got a higher number in the Gotham than Pyro got in the Risen Star when Pyro is the superior animal. That speaks volumes in itself. Pyro should be in the 100+ range if he gets some pace to run at next out, which=not slow.

Sierra Sunset got a 99 when many of these horses will beat up on him. That speaks volumes about how talented this crop really is... I don't even know if that horse would be in my top 10 right now.