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Originally Posted by King Glorious

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Curlin is waaaay ahead of Street Sense. If you are a Street Sense guy, you should be concerned if Hard Spun is ahead of Steet Sense too.

Hard Spun only very slightly less impressive than Street Sense in the Derby.
Hard Spun not as impressive as Street Sense in the Preakness, thanks Mario.
Hard Spun's 4th in the Belmont more impressive than Street Sense watching, thanks Go-Go.
Hard Spun's 2nd in the Haskell, after carving out 110 3/5 off of a 2 month layoff, beating Curlin in the process, more impressive than Street Sense beating CP West in the Jim Dandy.
Hard Spun and Steet Sense both impressive on Travers Day in their own respect.
Hard Spun only very slightly more impressive than Steet Sense in the Kentucky Cup Classic.
Hard Spun more impressive on Breeders Cup Day.

While I am an admitted Hard Spun fan, I find his 3YO road to be every bit as accomplished as Street Sense.

I'm not sure where to start, but you are way off.

I disagree Hard Spun's 2nd in the Haskell is more impressive than Street Sense's Jim Dandy win. Hard Spun was running over a speed favoring Monmouth surface and Any Given Saturday buried him while Street Sense had to overcome a lone speed/slow pace in both his Saratoga races to win. And IMO, Street Sense was more impressive in the KY Cup, given that Hard Spun had the race handed to him on a silver platter as total lone speed, and he still was all out to win. The sea of slop on BC day made much of those results irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by JJP

I'm not sure where to start, but you are way off.

I disagree Hard Spun's 2nd in the Haskell is more impressive than Street Sense's Jim Dandy win. Hard Spun was running over a speed favoring Monmouth surface and Any Given Saturday buried him while Street Sense had to overcome a lone speed/slow pace in both his Saratoga races to win. And IMO, Street Sense was more impressive in the KY Cup, given that Hard Spun had the race handed to him on a silver platter as total lone speed, and he still was all out to win. The sea of slop on BC day made much of those results irrelevant.

Any Given Saturday was coming off of a good prep in the Dwyer, while Hard Spun was coming back from his 2 month hiatus after running in ALL 3 TC events, and sat in a perfect spot as Hard Spun and Cable Boy went at it. Any Given Saturday couldn't hold Hard Spun's jock.

Your recollection of the Jim Dandy is strange as CP West went at it with something called Flashstorm through fractions of 23 2/5 and 47. I'd hardly call that lone speed/slow pace. Street Sense beat CP West by 2 hard fought lengths.

Please watch the Kentucky Cup again and tell me what you see because I see them both being asked, but neither ALL OUT. I think Street Sense would have a tough time beating Hard Spun in a match race, he could never keep up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pflXyCer9o

I just do not feel there is a big difference between the 2 that one should be in the top 25 (the rail skimming everyone out of my way winner of the Kentucky Derby) and the carve out the fractions, gut it out horse that was raced at distances that didn't give him the optimum chance to win is not.

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Originally Posted by kgar311

I really dont understand some of these posts??? Ive read through alot and all I see is people saying the crop sucks. In february? I bet there are some horses out there (at least 5 or 6 ) that havent even run a race yet that will make it to the derby. Few years ago I had no idea who Barbaro was until he won the derby. Then there was Bernardini after that. Theres always a huge scramble to get the graded money under these horses belts early to get to the Derby, most horses arent ready. Then the big guns start to emerge. With Pyro and War Pass heading the trail I see an exciting campaign to the derby this year.

i agree. these trainers sit on horses now. the "baby your horse" angle is played all over the place. frankly i think no conclusions can be made yet. the crop with Barbaro and Bernardini stunk. after Barbaros tragedy Bernardini won the travers and other races by default, thats why Invasor handed his a$$ to him in the BC. john wards travers starter that year raced in a non winners of 2 a couple weeks ago at GP and was up the track. i would wait a few months before passing judgement. with the fact that these horses retire after 3 doesn't help. the potential is never reached and the older division is usually weak . when they move up to the BC classic theres not much to compare too. they got to make horse racing about winning not breeding. these rich owners back in the day used to run for pride and bragging rights, not whos going to write the biggest check in november.