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blackthroatedwind 02-01-2008 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The deal is done

Santana's great but deals like this make it impossible for most teams to keep their exceptional talents and are forced to trade them for prospects and move on.

pick4 02-02-2008 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Santana's great but deals like this make it impossible for most teams to keep their exceptional talents and are forced to trade them for prospects and move on.

To be fair the Twins offered Santana a reported 80 million for 4 year extention and he turned it down. But you make a valid point about smaller market teams not being able to afford to keep high end talent.

Once he turned down the offer the Twins had no choice but to trade him. Santana also had a no trade clause in his contract and the Mets were one of the teams he agreed to. As a Mets fan I'm thrilled they were able to acquire the ace they needed.

Mortimer 02-02-2008 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Santana's great but deals like this make it impossible for most teams to keep their exceptional talents and are forced to trade them for prospects and move on.

^^^ Thinks it's the jockey....not the horsey......:rolleyes:

Mortimer 02-02-2008 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pick4
To be fair the Twins offered Santana a reported 80 million for 4 year extention and he turned it down. But you make a valid point about smaller market teams not being able to afford to keep high end talent.

Once he turned down the offer the Twins had no choice but to trade him. Santana also had a no trade clause in his contract and the Mets were one of the teams he agreed to. As a Mets fan I'm thrilled they were able to acquire the ace they needed.



^^^ BLECH!




Anyhooo...he went to a sports bar last night. Duane Kuiper was the bartender....told him he wanted a double.



Kuiper replied..."What's a double?"

blackthroatedwind 02-02-2008 12:29 PM

Did Duane have one or two career homers?

Mortimer 02-02-2008 12:35 PM

I believe one.




I'm sure MainCourse will say he is one of the greatest second basepersons of all time.

Mortimer 02-02-2008 12:36 PM

He might have hit 4 or 5 doubles.

blackthroatedwind 02-02-2008 12:55 PM

When I was a kid I had a friend who talked non-stop about Duane Kuiper.

JJP 02-02-2008 12:57 PM

Steve Stone has said on a number of occasions that he was the victim of Kuiper's home run.

blackthroatedwind 02-02-2008 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
Steve Stone has said on a number of occasions that he was the victim of Kuiper's home run.


Was that before or after they robbed Mike Norris and gave Stone the Cy Young?

Mortimer 02-02-2008 01:51 PM

Hmmmm..that's a good one.

I think before.

Mortimer 02-02-2008 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
When I was a kid I had a friend who talked non-stop about Duane Kuiper.


Must have been his brother.


Kuiper perfected the slapshot dying quail to short left field...were the left fielder was always waiting.

horseofcourse 02-02-2008 02:14 PM

Kuiper's home run was long before Stone won the Cy Young. It is quite simplistic in all honesty. With a better supporting cast, the Kuiper Indians would have won 3 or 4 World Series'. His bad teammates held him down. If his teammates would have held up their load and hit .340-.360, it would have all been fine. His job was to stop ground balls...it was the rest of the team that couldn't do all the other things that killed them.

Prior to LeBron he was the top professional athlete in Cleveland.

horseofcourse 02-02-2008 02:18 PM

Back on topic, I believe this Santana signing ended Sabathia's run in Cleveland. I am sure they offered something similar to the Twins' Santana offer in the 4 year range and it was turned down. (This is why the Yanks and Red Sox didn't pull the trigger on Santana...Sabathia is their's after '08 if they want him...and cheaper than Santana as well.)

...after recent beatdowns of Peralta, Sizemore, and LBJ I'm sure Mortimer's crucifiction of the 300lb lefty is soon to follow!!!

Mortimer 02-02-2008 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Kuiper's home run was long before Stone won the Cy Young. It is quite simplistic in all honesty. With a better supporting cast, the Kuiper Indians would have won 3 or 4 World Series'. His bad teammates held him down. If his teammates would have held up their load and hit .340-.360, it would have all been fine. His job was to stop ground balls...it was the rest of the team that couldn't do all the other things that killed them.

Prior to LeBron he was the top professional athlete in Cleveland.

^^ Isn't kidding.

Mortimer 02-02-2008 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Back on topic, I believe this Santana signing ended Sabathia's run in Cleveland. I am sure they offered something similar to the Twins' Santana offer in the 4 year range and it was turned down. (This is why the Yanks and Red Sox didn't pull the trigger on Santana...Sabathia is their's after '08 if they want him...and cheaper than Santana as well.)

...after recent beatdowns of Peralta, Sizemore, and LBJ I'm sure Mortimer's crucifiction of the 300lb lefty is soon to follow!!!

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^^ Only known human to have sat on own head.

GPK 02-02-2008 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Kuiper's home run was long before Stone won the Cy Young. It is quite simplistic in all honesty. With a better supporting cast, the Kuiper Indians would have won 3 or 4 World Series'. His bad teammates held him down. If his teammates would have held up their load and hit .340-.360, it would have all been fine. His job was to stop ground balls...it was the rest of the team that couldn't do all the other things that killed them.

Prior to LeBron he was the top professional athlete in Cleveland.


Larry Nance being a close 3rd I assume..:rolleyes:

horseofcourse 02-02-2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
^^ Isn't kidding.

Someone's gotta be serious on here I believe. vv^^vv^^vv^^

horseofcourse 02-02-2008 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Larry Nance being a close 3rd I assume..:rolleyes:

3rd would be Jubilee Dunbar. Another brutally held back by pitiable teammates.

pmayjr 02-03-2008 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer
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^^ Only known human to have sat on own head.

Obviously you haven't seen Placido Polanco for the Tigers. He's got the most f'd up deviated temples ever.


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