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GBBob 01-10-2008 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
i see where Obama now has the support of John (f'n) Kerry.

I'm curious how other established party regulars are going to handle this fight. stick with the Clinton regime, or take a chance on the new guy?

I think the established party regulars have only one concern...Electability..That is why I think that ultimately Obama will get the nomination. Too much Hilary hatred out there

hi_im_god 01-12-2008 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He had a huge lead in the polls with 24 hours to go - and he supposedly goes out for dinner with his family once the polls close.

He'd have had to come up with a concession speech right off the top of his head.

He didn't even seem to have enough time to change his music that played at the end of his speech.

It was probably the first time ever that a losing candidate had that Stevie Wonder song 'Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm Yours' playing after his speech.

"He had a huge lead in the polls with 24 hours to go - and he supposedly goes out for dinner with his family once the polls close."

the bradley effect.

los angeles mayor tom bradley had a significant lead in polls leading up to the 1982 california election for governor. he was declared the winner based on exit polling by all the major networks.

george deukmajian served 2 terms.

there weren't issues with methodology. every poll, including those paid for by the republican candidate, showed similar trends.

the simple view is that people don't want to express an antipathy to a candidate based on race when asked directly one on one. in the privacy of a voting booth it's a different story.

it's probably more complex than that. a lot of polling misses poorer, less educated voters. and thus exaggerates the influence of the college educated middle class.

regardless, i'd be careful before annoiting obama the shoe in nominee. new hampshire may not be the only surprise.

i say that as someone who'll vote for him. at least so far as any of you know.

SentToStud 01-13-2008 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god
"He had a huge lead in the polls with 24 hours to go - and he supposedly goes out for dinner with his family once the polls close."

the bradley effect.

los angeles mayor tom bradley had a significant lead in polls leading up to the 1982 california election for governor. he was declared the winner based on exit polling by all the major networks.

george deukmajian served 2 terms.

there weren't issues with methodology. every poll, including those paid for by the republican candidate, showed similar trends.

the simple view is that people don't want to express an antipathy to a candidate based on race when asked directly one on one. in the privacy of a voting booth it's a different story.

it's probably more complex than that. a lot of polling misses poorer, less educated voters. and thus exaggerates the influence of the college educated middle class.

regardless, i'd be careful before annoiting obama the shoe in nominee. new hampshire may not be the only surprise.

i say that as someone who'll vote for him. at least so far as any of you know.


You're full of ****.

When Obama outperforms polls, the media/poll people say it's the "beginning of a movement" and people like you who grew up being taught to simply recite text and not think for yourself buy it.

When Obama misses the polls in NH, it's a "Racial thing that goes back to Bradley ( you must have heard the Dinkins reference also)" as pollsters run to cover their asses with one hand as they hold out their hat to take more candidate money with their other hand.

You don't just buy the lame explanation. You go on to recite it almost verbatim as you were taught.

You and your contemporaries are big on spouting to everyone what tv has taught them about things having a "pure, simple truth."

Wilde said "The pure, simple truth is rarely pure and never simple."

You clip and use political analyst sound bites as if they were grocery store coupons.

Try thinking for yourself.

golfer 01-13-2008 06:39 AM

It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes
 
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hi_im_god 01-14-2008 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
You're full of ****.

When Obama outperforms polls, the media/poll people say it's the "beginning of a movement" and people like you who grew up being taught to simply recite text and not think for yourself buy it.

When Obama misses the polls in NH, it's a "Racial thing that goes back to Bradley ( you must have heard the Dinkins reference also)" as pollsters run to cover their asses with one hand as they hold out their hat to take more candidate money with their other hand.

You don't just buy the lame explanation. You go on to recite it almost verbatim as you were taught.

You and your contemporaries are big on spouting to everyone what tv has taught them about things having a "pure, simple truth."

Wilde said "The pure, simple truth is rarely pure and never simple."

You clip and use political analyst sound bites as if they were grocery store coupons.

Try thinking for yourself.

"You're full of ****."

you can accuse me of being full of other punctuation marks. but a * killed my dad you b astard.

"You and your contemporaries are big on spouting to everyone what tv has taught them about things having a "pure, simple truth.""

why are you quoting "pure simple truth"?

"Wilde said "The pure, simple truth is rarely pure and never simple." "

oh. i guess you wanted to quote a gay playwrite for no reason whatsoever.

"You clip and use political analyst sound bites as if they were grocery store coupons."

i'm waiting for your explanation of new hampshire. that way i can clip it if it's worthy.

"Try thinking for yourself."

i did once. it hurt. now i just wait for angry bloggers to tell me what i should think.


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