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NTamm1215 01-04-2008 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.
I hope I don't get the opportunity to past post because then if I lost I'd feel really dumb.

NT

Scav 01-04-2008 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I hope I don't get the opportunity to past post because then if I lost I'd feel really dumb.

NT
Even when I find winners, I find a way to **** them up so I am a lost cause

Cannon Shell 01-04-2008 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Couldn't think of any more ignorant bobsledding comments?
Hey dude, it was you who brought my name into this. I guess when someone disagrees with your assesment of importance of an issue then they are a pariah. I never call people out personally or talk down to anyone and agree to disagree with lots of people. About the only time I had a serious confrontation is when my friend Spyder was being called a racist incorrectly. You want to label me as some hater of all gamblers when I am pretty much the opposite. You made it personal, not me.

Scav 01-04-2008 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Hey dude, it was you who brought my name into this. I guess when someone disagrees with your assesment of importance of an issue then they are a pariah. I never call people out personally or talk down to anyone and agree to disagree with lots of people. About the only time I had a serious confrontation is when my friend Spyder was being called a racist incorrectly. You want to label me as some hater of all gamblers when I am pretty much the opposite. You made it personal, not me.
If you used "pal" instead of "dude", you would have sounded tougher, for future reference

cmorioles 01-04-2008 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.
Yes, and you weren't once able to bet the P6 after 4 races were run either I would imagine.

I don't know if it is rampant. Phil provided some statistical data I've seen other places as well that are certainly worth investigating. The problem is, the tracks have no incentive to investigate. It would probably be very bad if they did and found out past posting was going on.

It doesn't change that there shouldn't be any chance for this to happen. There is more than enough technology available to prevent this from EVER happening. Why is this mechanical in the first place? That is ridiculous.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-04-2008 05:54 PM
live on ppv cannon vs cmoriles

the battle of the tote

69.95 on dish network

a pillow production..

cmorioles 01-04-2008 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
live on ppv cannon vs cmoriles

the battle of the tote

69.95 on dish network

a pillow production..
He's got no shot. ;)

Scav 01-04-2008 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Yes, and you weren't once able to bet the P6 after 4 races were run either I would imagine.

I don't know if it is rampant. Phil provided some statistical data I've seen other places as well that are certainly worth investigating. The problem is, the tracks have no incentive to investigate. It would probably be very bad if they did and found out past posting was going on.

It doesn't change that there shouldn't be any chance for this to happen. There is more than enough technology available to prevent this from EVER happening. Why is this mechanical in the first place? That is ridiculous.
I agree with you 100%, at the most, there should be a 5 second delay from bet to tote, there are plenty of pipes out there for the information to get to.

I almost think this is more about late odd changes then past posting, and late odd changes drive EVERYONE nuts.

But honestly, when can the bettor do? Stop betting? maybe, but nothing will change until someone involved in the industry gets f'd out of a bunch of money that they just bet. Way of the world, react when too late

Scav 01-04-2008 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Yes, and you weren't once able to bet the P6 after 4 races were run either I would imagine.
Also, this is a questionable excuse, given that they HACKED into the system to bet that pick six

infield_line 01-04-2008 05:58 PM
I've met Cannon.....
 
and if you had you would not fire at will from the comfort of your keyboard fox hole.....

There are a huge number of people playing these races, whales and minnows... if there was a systematic pattern, unless all the whales are part of a conspiracy, someone would blow the whistle... **** happens, people are fallible, they space out, the button is full of mustard and sticks... who knows

Just my bet from the 1/4 pole

I/L

SentToStud 01-04-2008 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
what would jesus do?
he'd bet the off.

cmorioles 01-04-2008 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by infield_line
and if you had you would not fire at will from the comfort of your keyboard fox hole.....
There are many here that know me personally. I would hardly say I'm firing from a foxhole as some anonymous poster.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-04-2008 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles
There are many here that know me personally. I would hardly say I'm firing from a foxhole as some anonymous poster.
your avatar is freaking me out..hes saying something..

cmorioles 01-04-2008 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Also, this is a questionable excuse, given that they HACKED into the system to bet that pick six
Huh? What does that even mean? I think most people would think if past posting is being done, it is being done via hacking.

Don't you find the fact that they have no idea how much was bet off track after the bell a little scary?

Payson Dave 01-04-2008 06:06 PM
Not to change the subject but...how about that 8th race at turfway....there is one in there that I 've been waitin for

Scav 01-04-2008 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Huh? What does that even mean? I think most people would think if past posting is being done, it is being done via hacking.

Don't you find the fact that they have no idea how much was bet off track after the bell a little scary?
I thought you were talking about the P6 scandal at Arlington

Yes, in this day in age of tracking and software, it should be instant. But given that there is no governing body of horse racing, nothing will change until someone gets screwed over

cmorioles 01-04-2008 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
I thought you were talking about the P6 scandal at Arlington

Yes, in this day in age of tracking and software, it should be instant. But given that there is no governing body of horse racing, nothing will change until someone gets screwed over
Yep, the whole business is a mess, no doubt.

Are you a Saluki grad? My wife, the much smarter half of our union, is a graduate.

Cannon Shell 01-04-2008 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I just got off my high horse, took me awhile, but here we go. CJ has pretty much covered the entire topic. Chuck, I wasn't bitching or complaining to you. Maybe you need to get off your high horse a little. My point was it's happeneing A LOT and your response of "get over it" when this was first discussed was s hitty IMO and a lot of other bettors agreed. I believe even a few mentioned it then.

I realize you bet yourself and understand our gripes and I'm not trying to play the without me, there is no you game. But it would have been nice for you to admit it happens more than you originally thought and maybe understood why that comment rubbed people the wrong way. Maybe we'll just agree to disagree about this.
When you quote me I find it hard to believe that it wasn't directed at me. What difference does it make to you if I say "get over it" especially when directed to a person not even on the board? Am I now the voice of Backside USA? My first post on this thread was "I was wrong". Did you miss that?


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