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blackthroatedwind 12-10-2007 11:21 AM

This new race will never have a quality field. Never.

brianwspencer 12-10-2007 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
When Malibu Moonshine wins it?

Lest we forget that this also gives the owners extra incentive to keep Student Council in training next year.

It's like they wrote the race just for him.

Coach Pants 12-10-2007 11:24 AM

The BC should take over concessions and serve paint chips. I think they'd go over big.

King Glorious 12-10-2007 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Couple things. Do you really think this race was set up to try and "improve" the breed? I don't. And do you really think this is going to matter? This game has changed so much in the last 15-20 years and I am afraid it can never be changed back. There is too much money in breeding. Breeders and buyers want to see quick works and speed. Isn't this the complete opposite. I see your point, but don't think it is realistic.

It may turn out to not be realistic and the things I'm hoping for may never happen. I am just glad that there is now something to hope for. Without making this race and some others throughout the year for these types of horses to run in, there was never any hope that breeders would ever breed these kinds of horses anymore and I didn't even blame them.

To answer your question, no, I don't really think it was done to improve the breed. I know it was done with greed in mind. But if a side effect can end up helping the game out a little bit, I'm ok with that.

blackthroatedwind 12-10-2007 11:33 AM

How is does it " help the game " to attempt to create a division of slow horses?

Sightseek 12-10-2007 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I do. And as I said, this new race is not going to be a quality race for at least a few years. The races they have during the year to support it will also suck. But I think they have to start somewhere. If you are a breeder, you had absolutely no incentive to even think about breeding horses that could run beyond 10f. Now, they do. It's going to take a while but I am confident that in a few years, maybe it takes five or more, this race won't be so bad. I try not to only focus on the short term when I think about racing.

I agree with what Hossy said above and because of this I think the Breeder's Cup Comittee would be better served focusing on the issues that are brought before them (not enough windows etc) than diluting the product and getting horses there that shouldn't be. Quality over quantity IMO.

If they really wanted to bring more Breeder's Cup to the second day, why not transfer the Steeplechase event to that day?

booner 12-10-2007 11:34 AM

Like the addition of the Turf Sprint. Should've been added this year.

Mixed on the Turf Juvenile Fillies. Might get 2 quality fillies and a field of 10, if they're lucky.

Don't like the 1 1/2 "Marathon". I'm in agreement with the majority in this thread......thinking we'll see more allowance than Breeder's Cup quality horses.

blackthroatedwind 12-10-2007 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

If they really wanted to bring more Breeder's Cup to the second day, why not transfer the Steeplechase event to that day?


On the surface this is a good idea but it's tactically impossible as few turf courses are wide enough to run this race on only the outside part of the course and taking the fences down in time to run other turf races is a daunting task. Not impossible but perhaps unnecessarily difficult.

Theoretically Belmont could do this ( and they ran the BC Steeplechase there a week before the BC in 1990 ) as they have two turf courses.

slotdirt 12-10-2007 12:06 PM

I'm sure Navesink River is around somewhere. He used to always win those goofy mile and 7/8's races that NYRA seems to card once or twice per year.

sumitas 12-10-2007 12:22 PM

He is in Saudi Arabia.

SniperSB23 12-10-2007 12:32 PM

Well at least they chose the three races least likely to canibalize the other existing races. I don't have a problem with the races being added but don't see any reason for the purse to be anymore than $250,000 since they will draw the same fields regardless. If they had added a 10 furlong turf race that would have been a distaster.

VOL JACK 12-10-2007 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Well at least they chose the three races least likely to canibalize the other existing races. I don't have a problem with the races being added but don't see any reason for the purse to be anymore than $250,000 since they will draw the same fields regardless. If they had added a 10 furlong turf race that would have been a distaster.


Give them time..

lemoncrush 12-10-2007 01:48 PM

I would prefer they have a non-graded stakes race at 6-1/2 furlongs down the hill as part of the BC undercard at Santa Anita.

I love the downhill sprints, but it makes no sense making this race part of the BC, since it can't be run next year, and there can't be any "prep" races for it anywhere besides Arcadia, CA.

robfla 12-10-2007 02:27 PM

This just in... A new race on Friday.

For 6 y.o. and up for Grey Horses only.

The "Gray Pride" Breeders Cup Stakes (GIII)

Riot 12-10-2007 02:29 PM

C'mon, I can't believe that those that decry the sturdiness and endurance of the TB racehorse are so against the return of races with some distance to them. The value placed on a baby 2-year-old being able to break 11 seconds in a training sale is silly, in my eyes.

Yes, watching (and betting) a 1 1/2 mile race is different than a California sprint. But I'm not fond of Quarter Horse racing, either.

The track secretaries agreed last year to start carding more 1 1/2 mile races, they reiterated to the BC Committee they are behind this, and will card appropriately throughout the year.

I'm very happy to see it. I agree with King Glorious and think King made some excellent points.

Do I think the sport is too geared to BC Championship day, at the expense of racing throughout the year? Absolutely. But that's a different concern than what distances should be offered to TB racehorses; and that doesn't mean I'm against an attempt to expand TB racing back to what it used to be, and providing longer races.

I'm more unhappy with the added carding of more short and intense sprints, than distance races, in regards to "what the breed is".

What is the difference between Hard Spun, Street Sense, and Curlin? Two will prove to be far more commercial than the third, for different reasons, and why is that? Why will Curlin be HOY? What is the extra-added value of Rags as a broodmare?

freddymo 12-10-2007 02:31 PM

I really see no need for the 1.5 mile affair. On the same token why not? Who cares

Riot 12-10-2007 02:36 PM

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Whats next, a race for greys only?
Hey, I like that race!


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