I wouldn't exactly call your boy one of the worst riders in the history of the game - though - the sad version of him and the way he rides route races over the last few years should almost be enough for Giacomo to deserve and asterisk next to his form.

Giacomo is worst Derby winner ever... by open lengths, or by "a pole"! I don't anyone will recall Giacomo as some great force in history of thoroughbred ranks. Plodder, rather than Derby winner, is what I will remember him as.

I was looking at a broodmare today at the Keeneland sale. Liked her pedigree, thought she had pretty good conformation. May be in my price range. Sounds good until I saw she was in foal to Giacomo. I dont want to pay to raise one of those so I passed.

You obviously don't know about 1933 Kentucky Derby winner Brokers Tip.

His lifetime record was 14-1-2-1 ... and he is the only horse in history who's only career win came in the Derby.

He won the race in controvesial fashion...his jockey and the rider of the 2nd place finisher were fighting each other through the lane.

It's a story almost as remarkably absurd as Sir Barton....

A horse who entered the Kentucky Derby as a maiden, off of a 8 month layoff, and only running to serve the purpose as a pace setting rabbit for his stablemate. He runs off and wins by 5. Takes the Preakness next out, followed by the Withers, and than the Belmont.

From hopeless maiden rabbit at post time on May 10th - to the first horse to sweep the later to be named Triple Crown on June 11th.

You think Giacomo will be that horrendously bad of a stallion?

His dam was the brilliant four time stakes winning sprinter Set Them Free - who hooked 2yo filly champ Eliza in their career debuts at Del Mar...and ran off together.

Besides Giacomo - she dropped another Santa Anita Derby winner - a nice turf horse - and a Sea Hero sired filly who was multiple Graded Stakes placed and 4th in the Juv Fillies.

There's both speed, turf, and I guess even synthetic (Tiago) influences in his pedigree...I'm not sure he will be as bad a stallion as everyone anticipates. That might not be saying much though.

Do you have YouTube video of Broken Tip? Just kidding... my Giacomo comments are based on watching Derby since 1971.

1933 is digging deep for me -- I appreciate you sharing that piece of Derby history.

Sadly, No video.

Here's the pic....




How great would it have been if the horse was DQ'd and placed 2nd? He'd be 0-for-14 lifetime....but still did cross the wire first in the Derby.

That freaking Giamaco cost me the tri AND super that day!!! I only had him in the bottom 3 spots. I loved, loved Closing Arguement. And told everyone that too. He had not run a bad race, on the board in all starts before the Derby.But honestly the only reason I had Dont Get Mad was because of B.Wayne Hughes being the owner and they said he was working great. trying to be honest.lol I also had $10across on C.A. My bestfriend who was just getting into betting was having a heartattack watching me have a heartattack as they turned for home and C.A was right there at 70/1. Freaking Giamaco, the nag. :D

yes

Tiago gonna prove to be a fluke??

Agree completely.

exactly. Only race he was ever off the board was the Preakness and won 7 of 13 starts in his career. He was a good horse. Pat Day likes him!

yeah, and god wanted lil e tee to win the derby that year. that's why he had drysdale scratch ap indy.

So who would win if the last 23 Derby winners hooked up? Spend A Buck? Alysheba?Sunday Silence?Unbridled?Smarty Jones?Barbaro?...would Giacomo run a suck up 4th?

:D

Giacomo was a better horse than ever given credit for....even if he was the 2nd worst Derby winner.

I figured DGM for a clunk up 4th or 5th, he was sharp and fit the shape of the race- that's about the only thing I had right in that derby. Keyed Alex in exactas and tris but couldn't come up with Giacomo if I had the next day's newspaper. Hell, I didn't even think Closing Argument was an automatic toss.

If you guys can, watch the CD replay of the '05 Derby. About halfway down the stretch Krystbosch can't figure out who Closing Argument is, and you can hear him shuffle his race notes to find which one the 18 was. I'll give him a pass, I think he figured he'd have to call his name once and be done with him :D

surprised no one mentioned funny cide.

seriously tho, out of all of them since i've been around, the worst was gato del sol.

His Preakness keeps him out of the cellar.

His 4 year old season was consistent, yet rarely remembered. The JCGC and 3rd by a neck in the Suburban plus the Excelsior win give enough credibility.