I thought that this board was for people who were fans of racing. You seem to have such disdain for everyone involved in the business. Why are you here?

I love racing I have NO disdain for racing at all. But come on with the poor owners routine. There is no such thing. If you can afford a race horse you can afford alot. The NYRA is a joke but I absolutely LOVE racing and horses.

I'll take your word for it on your love of racing. I guess I'm coming from the viewpoint that NY, through its high parimutuel taxes and parisitic OTBs, is doing its best to try to prevent racing (forget about NYRA) from competing on a level playing field with other gambling enterprises (compare horse racing's takeout to the house's advantage at a casino), so I'm tired of the "we poor taxpayers are constantly bailing NYRA out" routine recently advanced by members of the NYS Senate.

Let's put it this way. Up here in Malta, the state has pledged over $1 billion dollars to build a plant that may - and I emphasize MAY - allow a Texas company to employ a couple of hundred workers. Meanwhile, the politicians seem hell-bent on playing games with a horse racing industry that employs over 40,000 New Yorkers. Even assuming that we don't fix the broken model (which everyone at the earliest stages of the franchise process agreed was broken), and the track operator needs a $20 million per year subsidy to ensure that those persons dependent on the industry remain in their jobs, that's far less than the state already takes out of the game, so I fail to see how the taxpayers are harmed in all this. And let's keep in mind that the numbers were talking about do not account at all for the income taxes that those working in the horse industry pay into the state coffers.

Does anyone hear that giant SUCKING sound ? That's the sound of the money the for profits would suck out of NY racing and into their own accounts out of state. Forget money for increased purses, increased profits are all that matters to robber barons.

lol. Fidel Castro should run NYRA?

:D Oh no, only those that can exploit an industry should operate one right. Just like the industrial revolution where kids worked and families suffered. Now that was capitalism at it's finest !

But I agree the NYRA must have some accountability. Not a blank check for 30 years.

It' OK, admitting it is the first step.

There is a daily charge for stalls. I would have to check my last bill but it was something like $5oo for the 18 stalls i had for the saratoga meet..

Not NYRA stalls, during the Saratoga meet.

Listen you 2 simpletons. If you are going to argue your points at least get the story straight. NYRA declared Bankruptcy for 2 reasons. #1 is because under the current racing model they get to KEEP NO MONEY!!! Dont you understand that they are not allowed to keep any of the money they rightfully earned from their cut of the handle. It after expenses it all goes to the state. Obviously the laws which were written in a different era are no longer reasonable but fools keep saying "NYRA is broke!!!"
Reason #2 was to go in front of a federal judge who would almost certainly rule that NYRA is the rightful owner of the land which forces the Govenors hand. If he does not help them and the courts rule in NYRA's favor concerning the land, then there is no awarding of anything and NYRA can sell off land, pay off creditors and the state is loses the biggest battle of all, the land ownership deal.

As for NYRA and the HK jockey club being in competition....are you serious?

Since when is horse racing supposed to be a capitalist model like McDonalds ? Or even the NFL? (lotsa cometition there). Folks, either the profits go back to NYS and a LARGE chunk to horsemen or the profits go out of state never to be seen again. I can hear the sucking sound allready. Right on Cannon Shell.

Pretty sure NYRA charges for the Saratoga stalls once the meet is over, but not during it. Churchill does it too from around July to September 15, I think.

Calling people simpletons and saying neighborhoods are dumps is not something a guy winning 13% of his races and maybe $150K in purses for an entire year should be doing. Are you jockeying for a job with NYRA once the training career is over, which might be pretty soon? LOL

So you want to say NYRA "rightfully earned" money but then you want them to be a non-profit? Hilarious. Why not just include $100 steak dinners everynight and pay the board members shipping costs of their horses. This way they will insure they are a non-profit. Wait, they already do that. LOL

Please explain to me what NYRA does with the million it gets when it sells the land? No land=No racing=no NYRA. NYRA CAN'T EXIST WITHOUT RACING. Is that too difficult for you to understand or do you have to be a simpleton like us to get it?

You want no accountability for NYRA. I guess you want no accountability from racehorse trainers to their owners too. Although you seem to already have that. LOL

[quote=Benevolus]Calling people simpletons and saying neighborhoods are dumps is not something a guy winning 13% of his races and maybe $150K in purses for an entire year should be doing. Are you jockeying for a job with NYRA once the training career is over, which might be pretty soon? LOL

Spoken like the jerk that you are

Only a fool would take what NY politicians say at face value like you seem to do. I find it amusing that you attempt to denigrate me professionally at every chance yet are insulted when I call you what you are.

The board members got their horses shipped for free because everyone got free shipping on the NYRA shuttle. If you ship from Aqu to Belmont or vice versa to run in a race you went on the NYRA shuttle which was for everyone. It is not a unique situation as Calder to Gulfstream and Churchill to Arlington and Churchill to Keeneland have similar set ups. If you are stupid enough to think that any of the board members are serving to get free stall rent, shuttle service or $100 steak dinners you are a simpleton.

You want NYRA to "clean up the community" and renovate but how are they supposed to do that if the state cleans them out at every chance.

I'm not sure why YOU are so personally against NYRA but if they are so bad then who do you propose run the tracks in NY?

bidders on the casino side
 

Now here's the link for the bidders on the casino side. Note that Excelsior and Empire did not even submit any interest in running the casinos...
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=41368

"earth to Joe, earth to Joe...come in please...ummm, while you were gone NYRA has been awarded the racing franchise...now try to figure out how the casino side will be run...earth to Joe...are you there ?"

why not? what has one part of your sentence got to do with the other?
i agree with viscount, you are a jerk.

jerk.

Yeah, I'm winning at a 0% clip but doesn't mean until he can come up with a good alternative to the NYRA and is just senselessly bashing them I can't say he's a simpleton.

and i don't even CARRY a purse, certainly haven't won one.

We get charged daily for stall rent year round, and not just the host meet or off meet. I was going over my my NYRA statements this afternoon. Great tax right off for me though...