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NoChanceToDance 09-29-2007 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Why force him, when it was just a prep for the big picture? I think it was pretty obvious, like you said, what was going to happen in the race. What would Street Sense get out of moving earlier than he usually does and go after a loose on the lead pretty good horse? It was a perfect prep. Right on target.

I know what you're saying, but would it have taken that much more out of him if he had just bustled Hard Spun up a little. To make him go those few strides quicker than he would prefer?

Borel got very 'busy' in the saddle in the stretch, and gave SS a few sharp smacks behind the saddle. Why get so busy late on when the race was all but lost?

I don't think Borel had the best of days today, that's all i'm saying. I could understand him laying off SS early and just doing the bar minimum to finish second, but to lay off him early and then get really serious close home when the race is lost? It just seemed a little strange.

NoChanceToDance 09-29-2007 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I think what Street Sense did was the intent of Nafzger and Co. They wanted SS to put in a sustained run, challenge and finish strong. He's said such a result would "get him towards where he needs to be for Monmouth" (or something like that).

Now, I suppose SS did get out of this race what they wanted. However, I would have preferred to see him battle harder down to the wire versus spit it a bit in the final 100 yards. SS has shown us he hangs a bit (Preakness, Travers) and now he didn't give that extra punch late in this spot.

I'm not sold on him for the BC.

I'm with you there.

As i said before, Borel really asked him in the closing stages, and in my opinion there was little response from the horse.

There is no doubt he will be 100 times better with a stronger gallop, but his style of racing will always make things difficult in a very good race with plenty of runners.

I thought Hard Spun would win today, but i was still disappointed with Street Sense.

ArlJim78 09-29-2007 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
His ride on Blackberry Road in the Juvenile was nothing short of embarrassing.

he killed that horses chance by getting him buried on the rail.
the horse was full of run once he got free.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-29-2007 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm sure that isn't what Nafzger wanted.

I think Nafzger would want you to do away with that god awful avatar.

Coach Pants 09-29-2007 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I think Nafzger would want you to do away with that god awful avatar.

Is that Balletto?

Left Bank 09-29-2007 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I think what Street Sense did was the intent of Nafzger and Co. They wanted SS to put in a sustained run, challenge and finish strong. He's said such a result would "get him towards where he needs to be for Monmouth" (or something like that).

Now, I suppose SS did get out of this race what they wanted. However, I would have preferred to see him battle harder down to the wire versus spit it a bit in the final 100 yards. SS has shown us he hangs a bit (Preakness, Travers) and now he didn't give that extra punch late in this spot.

I'm not sold on him for the BC.

This race proved to me that SS is infected with the Perfect Drift Syndrome!

The Indomitable DrugS 09-29-2007 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Is that Balletto?

Worse.

miraja2 09-29-2007 05:45 PM

Going into the race, I liked Street Sense's chances in the classic. I still do.
A race with a 4-horse field going 9f over the poly is about as similiar to the BCC as Cowtown Cat is to Ghostzapper.

Left Bank 09-29-2007 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Post of the century. Please explain.

He seems to give up all the time like Drifty always did,getting to the front or close and then the ears perk up and he just quits and doesn't give any more effort.

miraja2 09-29-2007 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Post of the century. Please explain.

There are only two possible explanations.
1) He was joking.
2) He doesn't have a clue.

ArlJim78 09-29-2007 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Going into the race, I liked Street Sense's chances in the classic. I still do.
A race with a 4-horse field going 9f over the poly is about as similiar to the BCC as Cowtown Cat is to Ghostzapper.

i don't know about that. its not easy to close at Monmouth either.

miraja2 09-29-2007 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
He seems to give up all the time like Drifty always did,getting to the front or close and then the ears perk up and he just quits and doesn't give any more effort.

You must be joking.
Street Sense does tend to hang a bit. No question about that. He usually hangs and wins.
Perfect Drift - at least in the last years of his career - tended to hang and run second or third.
Not all hangers are created equal.

geeker2 09-29-2007 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
There are only two possible explanations.
1) He was joking.
2) He doesn't have a clue.

or he believes that Cat Shaker's race was good enough to head for the BC...
:D

ARyan 09-29-2007 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
He seems to give up all the time like Drifty always did,getting to the front or close and then the ears perk up and he just quits and doesn't give any more effort.

I noticed that too!! Remember when he did it in the BC Juvi!! And then in the Tampa Bay Derby!! Oh god, can you recall that Kentucky Derby!! Phew, talk about a quitter!! He just plain threw in the towel twice at Saratoga in the Dandy and Travers!! Man, what a waste, they should just geld him and put him out to a farm!

Left Bank 09-29-2007 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
You must be joking.
Street Sense does tend to hang a bit. No question about that. He usually hangs and wins.
Perfect Drift - at least in the last years of his career - tended to hang and run second or third.
Not all hangers are created equal.

Not joking at all.This is the Fifth race that SS weakened and lost.And in the Travers he was almost beaten and embarrassed by an allowance winner.

miraja2 09-29-2007 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
i don't know about that. its not easy to close at Monmouth either.

True, but he seems to fire on a variety of dirt tracks (CD, Pimlico, and Saratoga) in a way he simply does not on poly. I still like his chances, but I can't really say how much I like his chances until I see how Lawyer Ron handles 10f in JCGC.
A lot will of course depend - as it always does - on how the pace scenario shapes up. If there are a couple of horses in the race that will ensure a contested pace, I think Street Sense will probably be my pick.
Of course, a lot can change between now and then.


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