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saratogabrit 09-17-2007 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by boswd
That's nonsense, also as pointed out the place has held in excess of 50,000 on non spinner Travers Day with the last huge outing was when Point Given ran and that had something like 61,000. The backyard area is a huge plus in Saratoga's favor. You act like eveyone is going to be huddled around garbage cans with a lit fire in it. It's not held in January, it's either the last weekend in October or the first in Nov. The weather is not the issue.

The average attendance at the Breeders Cup is around 50,000 people. Saratoga has and can handle that. 150,000 people do not show up to the BC.

It's all about logistics with tearing down the equipment that they just took down at the begining of Sept and lugging it all the way back upstate and then doing it allover again to go back down to Belmont. Just for one day.
What the weather will do is in the lap of gods but what you appear to be missing is that a completely different crowd would go to a Saratoga Breeders' Cup than attends Travers day.

The number of locals that attend the day/s would drop dramatically-rain,sun or snow-as they won't pay the price of entrance/seats that the 10,000+ visitors from overseas and the thousands of North American racefans need.

And where will everyone stay-the meet works because hundreds of people either vacate their homes or rent to track people in-between Skidmore and Navy lets. And how will people get there?

blackthroatedwind 09-17-2007 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by boswd
50 plus degress is cold? are you kidding me? People won't be in the back yard if it's around 50 to 60 degrees? What??????????????

If you think the BC crowd is the same backyard picnic crowd that fills Saratoga in August then you are mistaken.

ARyan 09-17-2007 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I would like to suggest that anyone here confused about Saratoga Race Track in late October should pack themselves a picnic lunch on BC day and spend five hours eating it in the third floor dining room.

Bundle up!
Agreed. Being in the picnic are with some sun shining down would be much much warmer then up there.

Linny 09-17-2007 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by boswd
the accomdations wouldn't be a problem because people who either owned hotels or vacation rentals would know about Saratoga hosting years in advance and would make proper arrangements.

As far as Albany airport in handling the influx of people flying in? This isn't the Super Bowl and the Ky Derby going on on the same day. That wouldn't be the issue at all.
There would be a far higher percentage of out of towners for the BC than for the meet. Are there enough hotels etc for such a crowd for 3 days? I don't know.

ARyan 09-17-2007 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Linny
There would be a far higher percentage of out of towners for the BC than for the meet. Are there enough hotels etc for such a crowd for 3 days? I don't know.
Albany is more then equipped to handle the crowd for the BC.

I don't know why I continue to play devil's advocate, as Saratoga will never get the BC.

Linny 09-17-2007 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If you think the BC crowd is the same backyard picnic crowd that fills Saratoga in August then you are mistaken.
I see many casual fans out back but I see and know plenty of hard core handicappers/fans who are strictly "picnic area" denizens. These are folks that have travelled to BC's everywhere. They are not all just casual racegoers and/or semi-interested fans out there.

ARyan 09-17-2007 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Learn how to read. I never said the average is 30-40 degrees. I used it as an example. I am also not so sure how reliable those graphs are. Average high for July and August was 81-83 degrees. I was at the track at least 20 times this year. It might have been that once or twice. The rest of the time it was 90 or so.

Either way, my point is and always has been the weather combined with the fact that there is no room is why it will never come here. It's not an issue in the summer and wouldn't be if this was Florida, because people can hang in the backyard. However when it is 54-58 LOL, or maybe, just maybe it's one of those rare days where the temp is under the average, where do you think people can go? Other than home...
The graphs must be unreliable; they are only published by the National Weather Association.

You used an example that was wrong, very wrong. Sorry that you do not like facts used to point out the falsehoods you use as fact in your arguments.

I am not disagreeing that Saratoga will not get a BC. I just feel that the reasons are more then weather related. I do not feel weather is the only reason, or the most pertinent reason.

Coach Pants 09-17-2007 11:25 AM
My vote remains the same...Kentucky Downs.

Danzig 09-17-2007 11:29 AM
i would think that if the powers that be thought saratoga was do-able, the bc would have been there by now.
maybe nyra doesn't want it there. i mean, for what? belmont can handle the crowd much better. saratoga is excellent for the time of year it's open, and for what it does.

blackthroatedwind 09-17-2007 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Linny
I see many casual fans out back but I see and know plenty of hard core handicappers/fans who are strictly "picnic area" denizens. These are folks that have travelled to BC's everywhere. They are not all just casual racegoers and/or semi-interested fans out there.

What percentage, outside of the obvious group you are referring to, of those hard core handicappers/fans who are " picnic area " denizens, make up the crowd?

Simply put, the BC crowd will not, for the most part, be happy being in the picnic area, especially in late October.

saratogabrit 09-17-2007 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by boswd
the accomdations wouldn't be a problem because people who either owned hotels or vacation rentals would know about Saratoga hosting years in advance and would make proper arrangements.

As far as Albany airport in handling the influx of people flying in? This isn't the Super Bowl and the Ky Derby going on on the same day. That wouldn't be the issue at all.

People who own rental properties won't be able to accomodate anyone. Those that rent to Skidmore will be full, those who rent for the meet and then rent to people who work locally want to have someone renting within 1 week of the end of the meet and won't chuck em out so someone can come in for 2-3 nights in late October.

Local hotel accomodation is growing and the new Hampton Inn will be ready by the 2008 meet-but I honestly don't feel that there's enough rooms at the top end of the market in the area. Where would the Breeders' Cup HQ hotel be? Where would the Media Hotel be? I can think of 1 hotel maybe 2 that could be used-but of course with all those rooms out of commission-that the guests who normally stay there are forced to look for inferior accomodation further out of town.

ARyan 09-17-2007 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
What fact did I present? I said say it is....That is using something as fact? You were at Saratoga this summer I'm sure. Was it ever in the 90's? And how am I very wrong? Am I wrong that there is no room for the people to hang if it gets to be colder than 50 degrees? Please enlighten me.
It was, but I would not say with such a resound attitude that 90 degrees is the norm for the summer. Your statement was made in such an authoritative way, as to make those believe 30 to 40 degree days are the average.

I feel we both agree on this, I just feel there are more logical reasons to dispute why having the BC will not be run at Saratoga. You have touched on many of those, but continuing to argue the weather case is beyond tedious. I do not think that boswd understands why it is not feasible for Saratoga to host a BC. Harping on the weather only keeps him going. List the dozen other reasons it will never happen and maybe this arguement will fade away.

saratogabrit 09-17-2007 11:33 AM
[quote=saratogabrit]People who own rental properties won't be able to accomodate anyone. Those that rent to Skidmore will be full, those who rent for the meet and then rent to people who work locally want to have someone renting within 1 week of the end of the meet and won't chuck em out so someone can come in for 2-3 nights in late October.

Local hotel accomodation is growing and the new Hampton Inn will be ready by the 2008 meet-but I honestly don't feel that there's enough rooms at the top end of the market in the area. Where would the Breeders' Cup HQ hotel be? Where would the Media Hotel be? I can think of 1 hotel maybe 2 that just aboutcould be used-but of course with all those rooms out of commission-that the guests who normally stay there are forced to look for inferior accomodation further out of town.

ARyan 09-17-2007 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
The weather needs to be discussed, because it is a factor. I'm not a weatherman, but I've spent enough time at that track to know that 90 seems like the norm there. Especially with 30-40 thousand people. I also don't think it's way off kilter to suggest it might be 30-40 degrees on a given day come BC time. Which would be fine at a place like Belmont where there is ample room for people inside. Not at Saratoga and that is a fact. Which is what my point has been from the start.
I think the statement in bold is why I normally choose not to talk to you. You seem to think you know more then facts.

I tried to be nice and have a discussion with you. I even tried pointing out what I felt was some very poignant statements that you used that were not purely based on the weather. Its my fault for even trying. You know it all, everyone else is wrong.

Have a great day.

ARyan 09-17-2007 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
My loss obviously. Stop being a bitch. This was a civil conversation. Nothing I said in the last post was at all rude. I said it felt like 90 is how it usually feels there. Wow. How rude of me...

Again, your class shines above any decent conversation you are willing to have.

saratogabrit 09-17-2007 11:51 AM
And wouldn't there be a problem with seats? Saratoga is possibly unique amongst tracks that the bulk of the seats are sold either for the whole meet or the bulk of the meet and that most people either keep the same seats or move closer to the Box Seats as years go by.

Breeders' Cup takes over for the 2 days and the norm is that all the best seats in the house-so probably all the clubhouse seats-would be taken out of circulation and their usual occupants forced to enter a lottery for seats in tents 5 miles from the finish line :)


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