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estreetposse 08-30-2007 10:01 PM

The Mohawk & Otsquago don't compare to the Gulf of Mexico, Mississippi, Cat. 4 or 5 hurricanes...and damn right I was drinking beer...didn't want it to get warm!!!

fpsoxfan 08-30-2007 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I had heard the same things about New Orleans. I went and then made up my mind based on what I had seen, not heard. I think part of what you fail to realize, or even accept is that a good portion of the people you are describing are dirt poor. When you barely have a pot to piss in, it's kind of tough to prepare for stuff. I won't begin to try and figure out why they are poor, although you seem to have made up your mind.

It's a tough situation, but one in which so many peoples lives were destroyed. Of course the looting and stuff was completely wrong. There is no explanation other than people suck. But people did and still suffer there. It's just not an easy fix and I certainly don't have the answers, but I really don't see the animosity towards people that lost their homes, lives and family members. Why so sensitive towards something like this?

Hoss, face it man we aren't going to come to complete agreement on this.
Sensitive. Could be many things, but I've been fired up about this since it happened. Almost got booted out of a family Labor Day picnic two years ago when this happened. The arrogance of the mayor and the absolute stupidity of the Governor for starters. The looting, rape, rioting, etc. don't sit well with me either. Not to mention the stupidity of many of the residents who could've gotten out an didn't. I'm sure there were many hardworking residents who suffered catostrophic losses and I do feel for them. Of course I'm sure many people think I'm just being racist. That's not the case. I'd feel the same way if it was a city of whites, greens, yellows, etc.

FGFan 08-30-2007 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
FG FAN,

I re-read your post and my apologies. I'm sure it must have been awful to experience what you did. Nobody deserves what you and the people of New Orleans went through. I remember how helpless I felt watching the whole thing unfold in front of me on TV. There were some real acts of heroism during that entire ordeal. I can't help to think of what it was like for those folks in that retirement/nursing home. What an awful way to die. There are many things that went wrong with that whole catastrophe, but to play the blame game and biatch and moan and try to get hard working american people to feel sorry for lazy people is a little hard to take.

fpsoxfan,
Thank you for re-reading my original post. I saw that after I posted to your post.
Anyway, I absolutely agree with you about the handouts, it's the same people that got them before bitching about getting them now.

Funny thing is while us and many of our friends were in disasters areas 1. most of us didn't need help because we were prepared, and 2. we don't live off the system so we dont know how to get it, seriously we are really dumb about it.
I have no sympathy for the people screaming for the housing projects. ( then again if they opened them back up we would know where the crime is, now it's just all over the city)
But like I said 1.5 milion people evacuated, hard working people who paid dearly for insurance only to get screwed. One man raised his house 20 ft. out of pocket and because FEMA had not made the flood maps yet, he will not be reimbursed. So many have moved over here to my little 6 red light town we now have traffic jams, I am in the country. It all happened so fast you can't keep up with roads, and infrastructure.
it's all crazy here, every day. The talking heads keep talking, the hard working folks just keep working and we send money to Baghdad everyday.
AND do not get me wrong, I certainly support our troops, not the war in the wrong country.
Katrina/Rita and now all this flooding in the midwest is a wake up call that we really need to take care of our own, especially the hard working people that just keep plugging along.
The nursing home is an absolute disgrace..I hope those people rot in hell for leaving those old people there.
And the animals, I responded as a vet tech. another disgrace.
It is hard to judge when you don't live here and even harder when you do. I will never understand how this all happened in my beloved country.

Cajungator26 08-30-2007 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FGFan
Hope your glass house never shatters. Oh that's right you as a firefighter are not prepared. And we won't have to worry about helping anyone rebuild, New York or LA or Philly, or anywhere in the US.

All I'm saying is that for a country as great as ours we should be able to handle disasters in a more efficient manner. But we are not prepared. Thankfully that is changing as a result of Katrina/Rita.
As I said I have been all over the world, I love the US, I choose to settle here near NOLA, that could change. But I still LOVE New Orleans and I miss what it used to be as I would miss New York, Philly, DC, LA, San Fran, Chicago and many other cities around this world.
Poverty is here in the US,all over the US, drug addicts exist and old people need help. If we can police and rescue the world we should do the same for our own citizens.
I'm going to watch the Saints game now.

Geaux Saints!

FGFan 08-30-2007 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I really am an idiot for starting this thread. :)

No Not an idiot. Actually good point. But as some of the others said, when it is home it's home and people want to come back.
And don't believe all you see on CNN or any other media. Parts of the city are coming back. You should plan a trip to THE Fairgrounds when sumwon is here.:)

FGFan 08-30-2007 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Geaux Saints!

HaHa, where winning, had to turn the TV on back here, little tv not my 65" hd...:p
Sean Peyton rocks....

Cajungator26 08-30-2007 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FGFan
HaHa, where winning, had to turn the TV on back here, little tv not my 65" hd...:p
Sean Peyton rocks....

Hell yeah he does (I love Drew Brees too :o )... I'm watching LSU as well. :D

Oh, and for those who haven't seen this (it's on my myspace page too):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGhTWE98DU

fpsoxfan 08-30-2007 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FGFan
No Not an idiot. Actually good point. But as some of the others said, when it is home it's home and people want to come back.
And don't believe all you see on CNN or any other media. Parts of the city are coming back. You should plan a trip to THE Fairgrounds when sumwon is here.:)

Other than the Spa..it's one of my favorite places to play the horses. That long stretch provides many thrilling finishes. Maybe I'll have to overcome what I've "heard" about the area and pay a visit sometime. :)

Cajungator26 08-30-2007 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
Other than the Spa..it's one of my favorite places to play the horses. That long stretch provides many thrilling finishes. Maybe I'll have to overcome what I've "heard" about the area and pay a visit sometime. :)

You should... I'm going and am planning to stay in the French Quarter. I can't wait. :cool:

Samarta 08-30-2007 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I really am an idiot for starting this thread. :)

damn Scav, nothing like starting a bar fight amongst your buddies and leaving when the first punch gets thrown and then show up afterwards to see how much damage is done.....lmao :D

FGFan 08-30-2007 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse
and damn right I was drinking beer...didn't want it to get warm!!!

sacreligious to drink warm beer.
This thread made me get a cold one.
Got to stay off these political threads.
How are the tigers doing?

Cajungator26 08-30-2007 10:27 PM

LSU is shutting the Bulldogs out so far 24-0. They've still got 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.

estreetposse 08-30-2007 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FGFan
sacreligious to drink warm beer.
This thread made me get a cold one.
Got to stay off these political threads.
How are the tigers doing?


Me too...no more politics tonight...just tastes great vs. less filling!!

Cajungator26 08-30-2007 10:34 PM

Touchdown LSU!

FGFan 08-30-2007 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
Other than the Spa..it's one of my favorite places to play the horses. That long stretch provides many thrilling finishes. Maybe I'll have to overcome what I've "heard" about the area and pay a visit sometime. :)

Well you should. I'll even give you a tour. Tourists don't know the good spots.
Yes The Fairgounds does provide thrilling races, Especially the stretch. And we have a great jockey colony, good horses and barns, lots of colorful characters and a ball at the Paddock bar.
BTW the French Quarters has a new waste managament team they even spray the streets with perfume now so it's cleaner and smells prettier. But it still is a bawdy laissez la faire town.

Samarta 08-30-2007 10:37 PM

I have tried real hard to play nice on this one because it is a sensitive subject and I do kinda understand where everyone is coming from. The bottom line is race, income level, crime rate, education level, religion, or anything that has to do with the makeup of the city of New Orleans should not be in question period! The only thing that should be in question here is how did this happen in our country?!?

So you get a blizzard (yes I saw the pictures) and let's say it destroys your town. You have no food, no money, no home, and no one is coming to help you, then you are told "oh I know it's where your home is, but you know what, we think you would be better off on a cot in a gym somewhere in Idaho. Oh and don't worry about your things, they're gone, you don't have the blizzard insurance, so you aren't going to get anything for your years of labor, and we really don't know what happened to the rest of your family and neighbors, but hey, good luck to you."

The inconvenience of the winter snows and associated power outages doesn't come close to what those people went through. I lived on the Gulf Coast and went through a pretty significant Hurricane (Elena) and just not having power, water, gas, etc for those 2 weeks was horrible. But again it all comes back to the fact that when a community in our country was in dire need of help, the people that were elected to provide that help were not there to answer the call.

FGFan 08-30-2007 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
You should... I'm going and am planning to stay in the French Quarter. I can't wait. :cool:

Uh OH...another get together in the works.
Now listen we run a tight drunken ship down here..so no fussing and fighting afterwards...everyone is supposed to get in trouble.:D

Cajungator26 08-30-2007 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FGFan
Well you should. I'll even give you a tour. Tourists don't know the good spots.
Yes The Fairgounds does provide thrilling races, Especially the stretch. And we have a great jockey colony, good horses and barns, lots of colorful characters and a ball at the Paddock bar.
BTW the French Quarters has a new waste managament team they even spray the streets with perfume now so it's cleaner and smells prettier. But it still is a bawdy laissez la faire town.

I think we're going to book one of these hotels (Prince Conti or Hotel St. Marie)... have you heard of them?

http://valentinoneworleanshotels.com/HotelStMarie.html

Hickory Hill Hoff 08-30-2007 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse
The Mohawk & Otsquago don't compare to the Gulf of Mexico, Mississippi, Cat. 4 or 5 hurricanes...and damn right I was drinking beer...didn't want it to get warm!!!

Don't tell that to Emery Giovannone! :rolleyes:

http://capitalnewsnine.com/content/h...33&ArID=219133

Used to just love all his letters to the editor about how everything is wrong in this country...he should be happy now! ;)

Hickory Hill Hoff 08-30-2007 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by estreetposse
Me too...no more politics tonight...just tastes great vs. less filling!!

For you & fpsoxfan...it's down to "5" ! :D

great card for Saturday...anybody want to go over???


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