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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nonsense. Just send him to Finger Lakes so he can "give a thrill to the smaller track fans" a.k.a. find a bunch of crappy horses he can finally beat so there's an excuse to keep running him for another year or two. Perfect Drift would be bored in retirement, don't you know?! Embarrassment on the racetrack is way cooler than boredom!

Here we go again.

I am not disputing the #'s, and you obviously missed my points. I am not saying the guy is a good or bad trainer. It doesn't make a difference to me. I'll leave the arguing to those who enjoy it.

Simply put, there are those who will believe that the horse was poorly trained, trained incorrectly, etc. and would have done better in the exact same spots had another -- top notch -- trainer been training him. And, then there are those who believe that the horse was not placed well.

Which came first -- the chicken or the egg?

Eric

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Originally Posted by ShadowRoll

Here we go again.

I'm just saying. Why is it cool to keep running Funny Cide, but unconscionable to race Perfect Drift?

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Originally Posted by The Bid

I dont think I knocked his spotting of the horse, I just dont think Murray is any kind of trainer. Its nothing I can explain to you or prove to you. To prove it you would have to watch him train that horse day after day. You would need to have a general idea how its supposed to be done. Then you would probaly draw the same conclusion I have. The horse was an extreme talent that could have been anything. He probably reached half his potential, maybe 60 percent.

Now the horse is old and doesnt want to run anymore. He was old 2 years ago and didnt want to do it anymore. For a nice classy horse like PD its no fun getting your brains beat in. Im sure somewhere between being old, and getting drilled he lost his desire to run

Good point. Like I've said, it might be a fallacious arguement. It might be a combination of the two that got the results we've seen. Who knows what would have happened had this guy raced him lower. Would he have trained him the same way? Would the horse have performed, bounced back, etc. the same way? And so on.

Eric

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So your point was to sum up what has already been said and then to state the obvious. thanks.

Yeah, that was the point, LOL.

Eric

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Ateam, I see what you are saying, but at least Funny Cide has shown a little life this year, even winning a race. I don't care where it was.

You think Perfect Drift would've lost that race?

Ya Eric...shut up already.

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Probably not, but who knows. He's no win machine.

So what makes him any different from FC?

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Probably not, but who knows. He's no win machine.

Someone's laughing at you back home.

Thought you should know.

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Probably that win in the Derby. And the fact that people came out in droves to see him. He'll always have a huge following for being NY's horse.

Perfect Drift fans who've bet on him this year can't afford the price of admission to see their horse run.

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Originally Posted by PPerfectfan

That is so great. I just love Brass Hat. Big, Big Congrats to the connections!!

Ditto, ditto, ditto. I've been a fan since he beat some overhyped Florida shippers in the Rushaway as a 3yo.

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Stop being a trouble maker. Thebby!!!!!

WHATTY???

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Stop being a trouble maker. Thebby!!!!!

OOOOOOOOOO

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

WHATTY???

RULE-ENG UN Z FLOUR!!!!

LEFF-ENG MAY ESS OAF!!!

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Ditto, ditto, ditto. I've been a fan since he beat some overhyped Florida shippers in the Rushaway as a 3yo.

Same here! I was there that day and became a fan, and i went to CD yesterday just to see him come back. I was as nervous as could be watching him run around that track. He looked excellent in the paddock (front wraps always make me nervous though), and did not disappoint.

Souped up track or no, he was outstanding.

(and i did feel bad for PD after that race)