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philcski 06-25-2007 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
No one is saying that they should run the horse again. But the thinking that a psuedo good horse like Scat Daddy had accomplished so much to warrant early retirement if not injured is sad. I would not personally knock a person for selling a horse for profit because profits are so hard to come by in this business. But a horse like Scat Daddy's value wont go down if he loses a few races but it might have gone up he had won a legit fall stake. (not that I think he would have)

Here's the thing I don't understand. If EVERYbody [you, me, the girl selling popcorn] knows he's kind of a phony, why don't those paying these exorbitant stud fees know it too? If he loses a couple more big time races, so what? But if he ends up winning them [not that he would anyways], it can only enhance his value.

Besides, at this point in the year they CAN wait the 90 days and see what happens. Breeding season is over you schmucks!!!!!

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The truth is, it actually makes real sense to retire him, as his resume is much better than his actual talent, and in all likelihood his value would only diminish by his racing in the future.

I guess it's easy for me to say because I certainly won't miss him....except to bet against him.

Well, I'll miss him. I loved this horse.

Coach Pants 06-25-2007 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by abe1947
This is a business. You want to make money. Why run him if he is worth more in the shed and running him will not, as several on here have stated, make him worth more there. Those of us who love the sport, need to think more of the horse's well being, rather than our own pleasure. A good $5000 claiming race can be just exciting to watch as a $million GI, and you can usually make more $ betting on them.

If you're in this sport to make money you might as well pay a guy to kick you in the balls on a daily basis.

Riot 06-25-2007 02:43 PM

Now let's speculate upon where Scat Daddy will ultimately stand, and what his stud fee will be.

Bobby Fischer 06-25-2007 02:43 PM

5 K

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Now let's speculate upon where Scat Daddy will ultimately stand, and what his stud fee will be.

"The horse was scheduled to leave by van on Tuesday for Ashford Stud in Lexington, Ky., where he will most likely stand stud next year. No stud plans had been finalized as of Monday."

NoLuvForPletch 06-25-2007 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by abe1947
So, you think an owner should run their horse until it breaks completely down? The horse is theirs to make money with. Would you continue running a horse that you could make millions on in the shed, just so the public could see him run. As soon as he lost a couple races his value and public appeal would drop, and those of you who what to see him run now would never bet on him again.:mad:

MILLIONS? Please tell me why this horse is going to be successful at stud? Why do we need another mediocre stallion out there? This business is becoming a farce. With all of the stallions they have over there at Ashford who is going to show up at their door and say I want to breed my mare to the slow one who beat nobody? His resume is he beat a head case, NOBIZ, and CHELOKEE, who in my opinion had a pretty good shot of winning the race (FLA Derby) with a better trip. I'd rather breed to THE GREEN MONKEY than SCAT DADDY. This is pathetic!

sumitas 06-25-2007 03:30 PM

just what racing needs, another Mr Prospector , Northern Dancer cross at stud. he was pushed hard and soon and i wish him the best in his 2nd career.

abe1947 06-25-2007 03:56 PM

Thoroughbred Horse Pedigree Database


SCAT DADDY (USA) dkb/br. C, 2004 DP = 10-3-11-2-0 (26) DI = 2.47 CD = 0.81 - 9 Starts, 5 Wins, 1 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $1,334,300

Owner: James T. Scatuorchio & Michael Tabor
Breeder: Axel Wend
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 9 Starts: 5 - 1 - 1, $1,334,300

At 2:
Won Champagne S. (G1,8F), Sanford S.(G2,6F)
2nd Hopeful S. (G1,7F)

At 3:
Won Florida Derby (G1,9F), Fountain of Youth S. (G2,9F)
3rd Holy Bull S. (G3,8F)

Looks like a good one to breed to, to me. If you want speed and a early return on your money. I'd say it'll take $20K to get into the shed with this one.:D

Cajungator26 06-25-2007 04:07 PM

I'll go out on a limb here and say $12,500.

Coach Pants 06-25-2007 04:11 PM

How about tree fiddy?

Storm Cadet 06-25-2007 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Now let's speculate upon where Scat Daddy will ultimately stand, and what his stud fee will be.




This is his level...a Blue Light Special!

zippyneedsawin 06-25-2007 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
MILLIONS? Please tell me why this horse is going to be successful at stud? Why do we need another mediocre stallion out there? This business is becoming a farce. With all of the stallions they have over there at Ashford who is going to show up at their door and say I want to breed my mare to the slow one who beat nobody? His resume is he beat a head case, NOBIZ, and CHELOKEE, who in my opinion had a pretty good shot of winning the race (FLA Derby) with a better trip. I'd rather breed to THE GREEN MONKEY than SCAT DADDY. This is pathetic!

I'd rather breed to Kiera Knightley, but whatever floats your boat. :p

Cannon Shell 06-25-2007 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by abe1947
This is a business. You want to make money. Why run him if he is worth more in the shed and running him will not, as several on here have stated, make him worth more there. Those of us who love the sport, need to think more of the horse's well being, rather than our own pleasure. A good $5000 claiming race can be just exciting to watch as a $million GI, and you can usually make more $ betting on them.

Owning horses is not a business. You may treat it as a business, you may think it is a business, but it is not a business.
And by your way of thinking most horses should be retired if they win 1st time out because running them again may decrease their value.

Cannon Shell 06-25-2007 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA
Chuck, I see your point, however, the downside with more than one loss is far greater than the upside of a win (which should almost be expected depending on the spot). Much of what will sell a horse like this at stud is the "hype" or the "what could have been" kind of thing.

Yes, it is sad -- very sad. I agree. However, he loses a couple of races, the reality of the situation is no longer hidden -- as it might be now to some people. Don't forget -- it's not you and me sending mares to this stud.

Eric

Eric
I disagree that his value is predicated on "hype" or "buzz". He won Grade 1 2 year old stakes and a Grade 1 Derby prep. He is by a "hot" stallion. His value is secure regardless of how many races he lost. He will probably stand for somewhere between $30-$40k. If he were to win the Travers and/or Haskell or a race like that, he would have been worth a lot more. Personally I never thought he was great but he did accomplish more than most stallions that will enter stud next year.

Cannon Shell 06-25-2007 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
5 K

You are kidding right?

Sightseek 06-25-2007 05:37 PM

Also in Pletcher stable news (I wasn't about to start a thread on the Suburban, because frankly it sucks) but Harlington is out as well. No retirement - yet.

SentToStud 06-25-2007 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Owning horses is not a business. You may treat it as a business, you may think it is a business, but it is not a business.
And by your way of thinking most horses should be retired if they win 1st time out because running them again may decrease their value.

Maggi Moss would disagree with you. A bunch of other people too.

Zaf 06-25-2007 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
5 K

I would love to claim horses from you.

Cannon Shell 06-25-2007 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Maggi Moss would disagree with you. A bunch of other people too.

Why? You think she is making money?


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