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Danzig 05-30-2007 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I have already paid all debt and things of that nature, I only have a car payment, which I am keeping to establish better credit. I am only willing to risk 2k into this system as it is progressive, and if I can't do it at 2k, I won't be able to do it at 10k which is where the progression stops. If I get this job tonight (2nd interview) I am going to take it as long as the money is there, if not, I am quitting in two weeks......

no wife, kids, responsibilities? other than to yourself of course....

do whatever you want! now's the time to do that.

Danzig 05-30-2007 07:33 PM

oh--but whatever you decide, do not tell the present boss to eff off. don't burn any bridges.

Scav 05-30-2007 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Basically what I was trying to say, but you did a better job of it. Hooves tells it like it is.

When your job sucks and you have the capability to do something about it, I think you should give it a try. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with last week's hit. All that did was give me the freedom to try something like this.

I see no reason why I shouldn't try it while I am finishing my accounting degree. I am guaranteed a job after I am done given the market place(if I need it), I have an 'out' to why I was unemployed, and I can enjoy a summer, and I can put to bed the possible notion if I can 'make' it or not....I see no reason, it isn't like I am not working at something, I have plenty of cash to last me a year, which then I could make the decision to get a real accounting job, or continue at what I am doing.....

No idea what I am going to do, but I am leading towards the boss getting a fat old GFY

The Indomitable DrugS 05-30-2007 11:00 PM

My vote is for E.....

Take it to Ann Landers.

infield_line 05-31-2007 05:19 AM

Scav... You're Young and You've Got Your Health...
 
What Do You Want With a Job???

Keep the job and get your degree..... living the way we all want to live, benefits, retirement savings represents a whole lot of exacta's you are committing to hit......

you might also consider the biases of future employers when they ask you what you did for a year.... "oh I lived off a monster pick 6 I hit at Hollywood"

create a strategy to get a career situation that gives you the flexibility to do the racing you love to do...IMHO

I/L

Scav 05-31-2007 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by infield_line
you might also consider the biases of future employers when they ask you what you did for a year.... "oh I lived off a monster pick 6 I hit at Hollywood"

Actually my out would be that I stopped working for a year to focus on my accounting degree......

I see everyone's point. Not really sure what I want to do but this job sucks and I finally have something to do about it :)

Cajungator26 05-31-2007 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Actually my out would be that I stopped working for a year to focus on my accounting degree......

I see everyone's point. Not really sure what I want to do but this job sucks and I finally have something to do about it :)

That depends on how smart you are with this money...

Personally, I'd probably keep my job (for the benefits) or get a new one that offers benefits AND pays for your school. Whatever you do, don't tell your boss to GFY... burning bridges is never a good thing.

SentToStud 05-31-2007 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
. Whatever you do, don't tell your boss to GFY... burning bridges is never a good thing.

lol. That's good advice. Just when you think the world is a big place, an old boss shows up at your new company as, guess what, your new boss. And, you possibly may need a 'neutral' or better reference from your old company. Save the GFYs for your friends.

Scav 05-31-2007 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
That depends on how smart you are with this money...

Personally, I'd probably keep my job (for the benefits) or get a new one that offers benefits AND pays for your school. Whatever you do, don't tell your boss to GFY... burning bridges is never a good thing.

I was telling a friend on PM yesterday that because of this hit, I have become smarter(so far). Some of you might not understand this but alot of my tilt sessions were 'chasing' based, and not day chasing but total amount chasing as far as debt. I have zero debt now, and the other night while playing Mountaineer, I actually STOPPED playing midway through a card, after I hit that 4th race hard. Now, in the last 14 years of wagering (yes, I started when I was 14), I have never stopped midway through a card, nothing was ever enough, it was either broke or enough to pay something in full.

SentToStud 05-31-2007 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I was telling a friend on PM yesterday that because of this hit, I have become smarter(so far). Some of you might not understand this but alot of my tilt sessions were 'chasing' based, and not day chasing but total amount chasing as far as debt. I have zero debt now, and the other night while playing Mountaineer, I actually STOPPED playing midway through a card, after I hit that 4th race hard. Now, in the last 14 years of wagering (yes, I started when I was 14), I have never stopped midway through a card, nothing was ever enough, it was either broke or enough to pay something in full.

Careful about the becoming smarter stuff.

There is zero correlation between intelligence and personal wealth.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3178567

Scav 05-31-2007 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Careful about the becoming smarter stuff.

There is zero correlation between intelligence and personal wealth.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3178567

I always had the smartness, just didn't have the freedom. I agree that money makes you do stupid things, I have been pissing it away on some comedy stuff (A $10 cowboy hat is one of those things) but from a wagering perspective, I actually PULLED back for once, never did that at all. I was up like $700 and said "This is enough for today" and the computer closed. a great feeling actually

ArlJim78 05-31-2007 09:47 AM

This game has a way of bringing you back down to earth and making you feel pretty dumb. Be careful about making long term decisions when you're at the top of a wave.

SentToStud 05-31-2007 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
This game has a way of bringing you back down to earth and making you feel pretty dumb. Be careful about making long term decisions when you're at the top of a wave.

Along those lines, I have not made many meaningful long term decisions lately. The fact I am now losing at a slower rate than a month or two ago is, however, encouraging.

Dunbar 05-31-2007 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I was telling a friend on PM yesterday that because of this hit, I have become smarter(so far). Some of you might not understand this but alot of my tilt sessions were 'chasing' based, and not day chasing but total amount chasing as far as debt. I have zero debt now, and the other night while playing Mountaineer, I actually STOPPED playing midway through a card, after I hit that 4th race hard. Now, in the last 14 years of wagering (yes, I started when I was 14), I have never stopped midway through a card, nothing was ever enough, it was either broke or enough to pay something in full.

This does nothing to show me you are ready for the next step. Exactly the opposite, in fact. You stopped because you "hit that 4th race hard"? I don't even know if that means you won big or lost big, but either way it should not have been your sole criterion for stopping.

There are only two reasons an advantage capper should stop midway through a card:
1. You have already capped the rest of the card and you know you can expect no edge on any of the remaining races.
2. You are too tired or too upset to use good judgement.

Maybe you lost enough in the 4th at Mountaineer to upset you, in which case you did the right thing by stopping. But it's not a good sign that you can lose enough in a single race to put yourself on tilt.

Scoring a nice win is most definitely NOT a reason to stop for the night. Is the next day's play somehow part of a separate sequence? It's all one long play, not a bunch of separate days.

--Dunbar

Dunbar 05-31-2007 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I always had the smartness, just didn't have the freedom. I agree that money makes you do stupid things, I have been pissing it away on some comedy stuff (A $10 cowboy hat is one of those things) but from a wagering perspective, I actually PULLED back for once, never did that at all. I was up like $700 and said "This is enough for today" and the computer closed. a great feeling actually

Maybe a "great feeling", but the wrong move. There will be days when you lose $675 or lose $800. At the end of the year, if you have an edge then the more time you have put into capping and betting, the more money you will make. If you quit for the day every time you reach some arbitrary threshold, you are 'leaving money on the table'.

Instead of thinking in terms of how much you are up for the day, you should get in the habit of thinking in terms of where you are overall. Don't reset each day at zero. Don't waste mental energy worrying about whether you will finish ahead for that day.

--Dunbar

SentToStud 05-31-2007 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I always had the smartness, just didn't have the freedom. I agree that money makes you do stupid things, I have been pissing it away on some comedy stuff (A $10 cowboy hat is one of those things) but from a wagering perspective, I actually PULLED back for once, never did that at all. I was up like $700 and said "This is enough for today" and the computer closed. a great feeling actually

You won't go bust buying $10 hats. And having a few $$ probably doesn't bring you freedom though it certainly does bring the illusion of it and many other things. It's good that you backed off and slowed, at least a bit.

I played full-time for 12 months after I got d-sized and packaged out. I turned $30 into $49. That includes about $17 of rebates. It was really very, very difficult but I'm glad I did it. My only advice to someone trying it would be to 1. Use a rebate shop. 2. Stick to p-3 and p-4 pools at NYRA, CD or SoCal only (The Maryland track 3 and 4 takeouts are low, but they are miniscule pools (like $5k for a Pimlico p-3 pool -- lower than Mountaineer)). Play p-6's on double+ carryovers only. I have thought about this a fair amount and while other people certainly can succeed other ways, I'm convinced this is the only way it can be done.

ArlJim78 05-31-2007 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar
This does nothing to show me you are ready for the next step. Exactly the opposite, in fact. You stopped because you "hit that 4th race hard"? I don't even know if that means you won big or lost big, but either way it should not have been your sole criterion for stopping.

There are only two reasons an advantage capper should stop midway through a card:
1. You have already capped the rest of the card and you know you can expect no edge on any of the remaining races.
2. You are too tired or too upset to use good judgement.

Maybe you lost enough in the 4th at Mountaineer to upset you, in which case you did the right thing by stopping. But it's not a good sign that you can lose enough in a single race to put yourself on tilt.

Scoring a nice win is most definitely NOT a reason to stop for the night. Is the next day's play somehow part of a separate sequence? It's all one long play, not a bunch of separate days.
--Dunbar

This is really true and it took me a long time to realize it. I agree with everything you wrote here.

jman5581 05-31-2007 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
This is really true and it took me a long time to realize it.


It did?


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