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ArlJim78 05-19-2007 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
King, other than Seattleallstar you probably have one of the worst opinions in terms of horse racing on here. Please stop.

so true! always good for a huge laugh. Remember how FCC was 50/50 to be in the trifecta??:D

pgardn 05-19-2007 06:39 PM

Curlin can get better.
He ran a very uneven race.
This is a very good horse.

brockguy 05-19-2007 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Curlin can get better.
He ran a very uneven race.
This is a very good horse.

unbalanced around the final bend, took his time to get going.. defo not the finished article just yet..

pgardn 05-19-2007 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
so true! always good for a huge laugh. Remember how FCC was 50/50 to be in the trifecta??:D

East
Chicago over Detroit in six but could be five. They will dominate.
Cleveland over NJ in six.

West
Golden St. over Houston or Utah in five (pending Davis' health). They can win without him though but it would take seven.
Phoenix over San Antonio in six.


The king is not doing so well in basketball either.
He did nail Cleveland. 1 out of 4 aint bad.
But he never took me up on any San Antonio bets.
Had Denver beating them, then Phoenix.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-19-2007 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Curlin can get better.
He ran a very uneven race.
This is a very good horse.

Street Sense's trademark explosive far turn move and his habits through the final 1/8th made Curlin's race look "uneven" to the naked eye---It wasn't in my opinion.

He's a big well made horse who always runs a very even race.

pgardn 05-19-2007 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
unbalanced around the final bend, took his time to get going.. defo not the finished article just yet..

If he comes out OK, You got your Belmont favorite. I think he has the potential to run a long way very fast. A tough compact muscular beast. A little green, but a competitor no doubt.

pgardn 05-19-2007 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Street Sense's trademark explosive far turn move and his habits through the final 1/8th made Curlin's race look "uneven" to the naked eye---It wasn't in my opinion.

He's a big well made horse who always runs a very even race.

I just watched the tape again. He can get better. He changes strides and pace. Even as far as time maybe, but not strides. This horse can improve form, I really believe that. He used energy in uneccesary spots.

Kasept 05-19-2007 06:59 PM

Instead of wasting breath talking about what didn't happen in this fabulous race, why not spend a few minutes analyzing the chart and figure out what DID happen:

http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...20070519&RN=12

Because when you do, you'll discover a pair of real racehorse performances..

When they came together at the head of the stretch, Street Sense had made up 12 lengths in a quarter mile.. a :22.4-:23.0 move.. Maybe it will occur to the 'hung' crowd why he 'didn't finish'.. And Curlin himself made up 9 lengths going the same quarter in :23.3.. (Before that, he had made the third quarter in :23.1...)

And neither stopped running for the next 3.75 of a mile.. THEY FINISHED IN :18.4 a head apart... Street Sense in :41.4 and Curlin in :42.2...

This was a throwback race with two unbelievable efforts.. What we pray for in this game..

brockguy 05-19-2007 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Instead of wasting breath talking about what didn't happen in this fabulous race, why not spend a few minutes analyzing the chart and figure out what DID happen:

http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...20070519&RN=12

Because when you do, you'll discover a pair of real racehorse performances..

When they came together at the head of the stretch, Street Sense had made up 12 lengths in a quarter mile.. a :22.4-:23.0 move.. Maybe it will occur to the 'hung' crowd why he 'didn't finish'.. And Curlin himself made up 9 lengths going the same quarter in :23.3.. (Before that, he had made the third quarter in :23.1...)

And neither stopped running for the next 3.75 of a mile.. THEY FINISHED IN :18.4 a head apart... Street Sense in :41.4 and Curlin in :42.2...

This was a throwback race with two unbelievable efforts.. What we pray for in this game..

twas a belter of a race.. so many talking points but at the end, two outstanding colts.. not bad for a crop people said lacked a star!

Kasept 05-19-2007 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Curlin can get better.
He ran a very uneven race.
This is a very good horse.

Uneven, how?

:24.2
:23.2
:23.1
:23.3
:18.4

1:53.2

ateamstupid 05-19-2007 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Instead of wasting breath talking about what didn't happen in this fabulous race, why not spend a few minutes analyzing the chart and figure out what DID happen:

http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...20070519&RN=12

Because when you do, you'll discover a pair of real racehorse performances..

When they came together at the head of the stretch, Street Sense had made up 12 lengths in a quarter mile.. a :22.4-:23.0 move.. Maybe it will occur to the 'hung' crowd why he 'didn't finish'.. And Curlin himself made up 9 lengths going the same quarter in :23.3.. (Before that, he had made the third quarter in :23.1...)

And neither stopped running for the next 3.75 of a mile.. THEY FINISHED IN :18.4 a head apart... Street Sense in :41.4 and Curlin in :42.2...

This was a throwback race with two unbelievable efforts.. What we pray for in this game..

That "hung crowd" includes Street Sense's jockey.

I agree though, a terrific race with a disappointing (to the fan in me) result.

pmacdaddy 05-19-2007 07:10 PM

I have to say it was great to see those two go at it.

I'm looking forward to Belmont more than I would be for Triple Crown potential. Rubber match between these two with Hard Spun looking to make ammend and Rags a possibility.

I love it.

King Glorious 05-19-2007 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
so true! always good for a huge laugh. Remember how FCC was 50/50 to be in the trifecta??:D

Technically, that one was correct. And also, Curlin was my pick to win the Preakness so I wasn't all the way wrong.

pgardn 05-19-2007 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Uneven, how?

:24.2
:23.2
:23.1
:23.3
:18.4

1:53.2

Look at the tape. Those are times. The horse goes hard and cruises and goes hard. A horse can run even times for two furlongs and still change speed WITHIN those two furlongs. I am looking at the movement of the horse's body. And I have looked at it again. The horse can run more evenly. I am very excited. I think the horse can get better.

Kasept 05-19-2007 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
That "hung crowd" includes Street Sense's jockey.

I agree though, a terrific race with a disappointing (to the fan in me) result.

Joe,

That's what he said seconds after the race.. When he goes over the tape of the race and absorbs the fractions, it'll be obvious. They both gutted it out to the wire, barely slowing. One wins, one loses.. Street Sense got the bob over Any Given Saturday at Tampa and loses this one to Curlin.

I think because we don't see horses race like we used to, there's an immediate jump to conclusion that a beaten horse did something to 'get beat'. This is a similar line of thinking that had peoplew wanting to dismiss Bernardini off the BCC loss. If we see MORE matchups of the horses we love as often we should, we'd be more inclined to take the win, or loss, for what it is, and start anticipating the next one. But because we aren't sure we'll ever get the matchup again, there's a quick conclusion...

Cajungator26 05-19-2007 07:17 PM

Well hell, I'm excited...

That had to be the most exciting finish since Silver Charm's Preakness, I think.

Kasept 05-19-2007 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Look at the tape. Those are times. The horse goes hard and cruises and goes hard. A horse can run even times for two furlongs and still change speed WITHIN those two furlongs. I am looking at the movement of the horse's body. And I have looked at it again. The horse can run more evenly. I am very excited. I think the horse can get better.

I see what you're talking about.. But he's a big, powerful, rangy colt.. might just be what you're going to get with him...

PPerfectfan 05-19-2007 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
DrugS was right....SS got by the winner...and hung. Even Calvin admitted the horse hung.

Boy your right, DrugS couldnt have had it more right unless he had written his post AFTER the race!! I mean dead on. Unfortunately. :( I wanted Street to win. But what a race huh?

PPerfectfan 05-19-2007 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Instead of wasting breath talking about what didn't happen in this fabulous race, why not spend a few minutes analyzing the chart and figure out what DID happen:

http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...20070519&RN=12

Because when you do, you'll discover a pair of real racehorse performances..

When they came together at the head of the stretch, Street Sense had made up 12 lengths in a quarter mile.. a :22.4-:23.0 move.. Maybe it will occur to the 'hung' crowd why he 'didn't finish'.. And Curlin himself made up 9 lengths going the same quarter in :23.3.. (Before that, he had made the third quarter in :23.1...)

And neither stopped running for the next 3.75 of a mile.. THEY FINISHED IN :18.4 a head apart... Street Sense in :41.4 and Curlin in :42.2...

This was a throwback race with two unbelievable efforts.. What we pray for in this game..

It was unbelievable!!! And u are so right. "Us" as racing fans should be standing up cheering both of these horses. Thank you Street and Curlin!! makes ya mouth water to see what comes the rest of the year doesnt it?


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