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cmorioles 05-14-2007 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
I don't see people "attacking" him. His post to me was ridiculously condescending, and when someone addresses me in that manner, I will respond.
It wasn't meant that way. You said "well that is good to know". I was just trying to help. I disagreed with the guy about the results at Pimlico. Rather than just spit that out there, I took 5 minutes to back up my impressions.

I'll take the hard data over the "I was there in April" or "yeah, but one race was a claimer" and whatever else is used to back up an argument.

As for this post:

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Lets not use rational thinking at Derby Trail. Track supers don't soup up the course on big days. That's a silly urban legend. The preakness will be won by a deep closer. Promise.
I don't have the charts anymore but I'm sure closers have won more than a few in the last 10 years, souped up track or not.

stonegossard 05-14-2007 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I was hoping Any Given Saturday would be entered. Although he had no shot of beating the top two in the derby, he was given no shot of placing due to Gomez moving him outside before the turn instead of waiting for the opening, which in fact occured a split second after he moved wide, on the inside. He easily could've finished third. Why Gomez decided to go wide on a track that was clearly favoring the rail is beyond me.

Would be nice to see John R. take over again.

I was hoping AGS was entered also. Will take the normal "dumb" Pletcher money. He was a toss in The Derby.....would be a bigger toss in The Preakness.

jpops757 05-14-2007 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
The gate to wire finish he was speaking of was a claimer, which most of the races have been, and the half was in a 48 and the finishing time was a 1:47 and change. Crawling home and the top three ran 1-2-3 practically the whole race. Now if they couldn't close at those snail fractions how in the hell is CQ going to close from +10 out and win?

He's a toss outside of bottom exotic savers. That's my opinion. If it's a "bad" opinion well that's fine. I don't need someone telling me it is and then offering nothing but half a stand's in retort.
Cheap speed will hold in cheap races and fold in quality races. This is not 100% but I think its a fair statement at just about any track.

Coach Pants 05-14-2007 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles



I don't have the charts anymore but I'm sure closers have won more than a few in the last 10 years, souped up track or not.
Yeah I don't have the charts for opening week but i'm sure speed was holding. I'm not going to look it up because I refuse to change my opinion, just like you.

We both agree CQ has no shot right? So why argue over semantics?

tycharles01 05-14-2007 02:28 PM
Squash it guys

Just put CQ 3/4 on tickets and you should be good

ARyan 05-14-2007 02:29 PM
Does anyone think that the Belmont might have been a better spot to bring back CQ?

Why rush for this spot, when you can train up and make a good run in the Belmont.

cmorioles 05-14-2007 02:31 PM
It is probably that avatar. The guy is named after a ballet dancer's costume and all.

Seriously, I think how the track played yesterday and all last week is a little more relevant than how it played a month ago. Your post, in my opinion, was misleading at best. We can agree to disagree. I do it with most horse players every single day at the windows at least 40 times a day.

lemoncrush 05-14-2007 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ARyan
Does anyone think that the Belmont might have been a better spot to bring back CQ?

Why rush for this spot, when you can train up and make a good run in the Belmont.
I'm not sure 1-1/2 miles is right up CQ's alley.
And the same owners (tabor) are sending rags to riches, so I'm not sure it makes much sense to place him there even if he does fit that track/race better.

I'm not saying CQ is a lock in the preakness, I just think he adds another interesting element to what was shaping up to be a fairly weak and predictably chalky race. Especially with Chelokee passing on it.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-14-2007 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ARyan
Does anyone think that the Belmont might have been a better spot to bring back CQ?

Why rush for this spot, when you can train up and make a good run in the Belmont.
No--the Met Mile would be a better spot than the Belmont for him...though Pletcher has probable favorite Lawyer Ron for that race.

Being out of Circle of Life, CQ's best served as a late runner in one-turn races at a mile or elongated sprint distances.

Coach Pants 05-14-2007 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles
It is probably that avatar. The guy is named after a ballet dancer's costume and all.

Seriously, I think how the track played yesterday and all last week is a little more relevant than how it played a month ago. Your post, in my opinion, was misleading at best. We can agree to disagree. I do it with most horse players every single day at the windows at least 40 times a day.
I'm thankful i'm not you. I'd kill myself. What a pathetic, petty excuse for a human being.

cmorioles 05-14-2007 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I'm thankful i'm not you. I'd kill myself. What a pathetic, petty excuse for a human being.
What exactly did I say to deserve that?

ARyan 05-14-2007 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
No--the Met Mile would be a better spot than the Belmont for him...though Pletcher has probable favorite Lawyer Ron for that race.

Being out of Circle of Life, CQ's best served as a late runner in one-turn races at a mile or elongated sprint distances.

I would agree with the Met Mile being a better spot, and the one-turn mile thought.

I just don't like him in this Preakness spot.

Coach Pants 05-14-2007 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles
What exactly did I say to deserve that?
I gave you an opportunity to squash it and you respond with a chest-thumping "i'm best handicappar evar!!" response. You're pathetic.

ARyan 05-14-2007 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
I'm not sure 1-1/2 miles is right up CQ's alley.
And the same owners (tabor) are sending rags to riches, so I'm not sure it makes much sense to place him there even if he does fit that track/race better.

I'm not saying CQ is a lock in the preakness, I just think he adds another interesting element to what was shaping up to be a fairly weak and predictably chalky race. Especially with Chelokee passing on it.
True, I spaced on the R2R and CQ being the same ownership group.

cmorioles 05-14-2007 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I gave you an opportunity to squash it and you respond with a chest-thumping "i'm best handicappar evar!!" response. You're pathetic.
You got that from this?

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Seriously, I think how the track played yesterday and all last week is a little more relevant than how it played a month ago. Your post, in my opinion, was misleading at best. We can agree to disagree. I do it with most horse players every single day at the windows at least 40 times a day.
I made no claims other than I bet about 40 races a day.

the_fat_man 05-14-2007 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
No--the Met Mile would be a better spot than the Belmont for him...though Pletcher has probable favorite Lawyer Ron for that race.

Being out of Circle of Life, CQ's best served as a late runner in one-turn races at a mile or elongated sprint distances.
I'm sure Pletcher can find plenty of races with lots of speed that'll collapse nicely for the runt. Why actually test him?

The Indomitable DrugS 05-14-2007 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles
I made no claims other than I bet about 40 races a day.
And that's the reason why you're the best handicapper ever.

cmorioles 05-14-2007 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
And that's the reason why you're the best handicapper ever.
Awesome, I had no idea that was all it took. I may bump it up to 50 on Thursday. Monday to Wednesday are just too slow.

blackthroatedwind 05-14-2007 02:50 PM
The reason I assumed he would run in the Preakness is Coolmore. At this point, winning the Preakness or Met Mile ( where IMO he should be running ) may be about the only reasonable spots left to increase his breeding value, as he obviously has absolutely no chance in the Belmont.

While Todd has who may be the Met favorite in Lawyer Ron, good luck to him, I am sure if Tabor/Coolmore wanted to run Circular Quay there he would be running....Lawyer Ron or not.

stonegossard 05-14-2007 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles
What exactly did I say to deserve that?
You disagreed with her. Now she is going to wet her pants.


He/she/it is by far the biggest whiner on here.


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