a recap of Utopia's win
http://nyra.com/belmont/stories/Westchester.html

Utopia isnt much. Then again it doesnt take much to beat Sun King and Political Farce. This year's Met Mile is in trouble if Sun King is the most accomplished horse going.

Yeah, I guess winning a G2 last year and being 2nd in two G1s (by a nostril to Invasor, no less) is just pathetic.
Of course I understand people do tend to trash Sun King as if it's a chemical dependency-thing, but I don't get it.

Hes a mediocre horse and 2nd only counts in horseshoes. each of his 2nd place finishes in grade 1's were hang jobs. he caught Invasor and Silver Train off their games just a bit and still couldnt take advantage of that.

I like that.....many pies.

I can see you feel the need to give me a lesson in how to watch a race,
sadly for you,
I don't.
I am thankful there's a mediocre horse like Sun King around who keeps running competitively in good spots so that fans like me can watch his poor efforts and conclude otherwise.

I didnt say they were poor efforts, they were dapper dandies. but to lose both of those races signals something. He dont like to win and winning is all that great horses get remembered by, not close 2nd place finishes. He'll catch a field he can beat sooner or later, frankly I thought he was going to destroy that field last week. Dont give me the layoff BS, because Utopia was coming off a greater one.

You get more laughable with every post.

Sun King is a mediocre horse? I think he is a fine horse, no superstar, but that dosen't make him mediocre. As Bystander said, he has more then held his own against great competition.

Then you also say Utopia is not much of a horse. I guess winning the Grade 2Goldolphin Mile, and other stakes all over the world, including a Grade 3 in his first start in the States means jack! Maybe his next start should be in a $5k open claiming event?

You have to be a joke.

So according to you, we should all forget Alydar?

Please keep making me laugh, its helping to break up the work day.

Who claimed he was great? And who said anything about a layoff? You're projecting someone else's excuses, I guess I should just get back to reading about the big "rail fix" in the Derby.

and g1 winners at 2,3,4 and 5 arent much either..

Okay I just watched Sun Kings glory race, where he won the Commonwealth at Keeneland running down Kazoo. I will upgrade to good because that my friends was an awesome performance.

Ugh... perhaps I can enlighten you on what 'hanging' means. Hanging is when the horse is in front and just stops trying... how can Sun King be a hanger in his two seconds when he wasn't leading to begin with? He was closing... tough to hang like that.

Apparently, according to the School of Skip Away.

I think that is one of those "special" schools.

It was as much for me as it was for you, ya know.

Hanging to me is also when a horse refuses to pass another one. Not saying that Sun King has done that, but I don't think hanging is just getting to the front and easing up.

Hanging to me is also when a horse refuses to pass another one. Not saying that Sun King has done that, but I don't think hanging is just getting to the front and easing up.

Yes. Since when did you have to be on the lead to hang? Perfect Drift is one of the most notorious hangers of all time and many of his near misses were when he was trying to pass a tiring horse, my favorite was when he couldnt get by Peace Rules at Saratoga!

Actually he blew by Peace Rules at Saratoga and hung to Roses in May who finished second to Ghostzapper in the BC Classic.

But, hey, we're not really sticking to the truth here anyway.

The accomplishments of Utopia that you mention were in Japan. While I don't want to denigrade his abilities, until he proves something in unrestricted races over here I will withhold my judgements. Perhaps I was a bit harsh on him but his win in the Westchester was accomplished under absolutely ideal circumstances. Perhaps I will be wrong, and he will prove a fine animal over here, but I'll take a wait and see approach.