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ArlJim78 05-03-2007 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jdm
I can see, just as the whole world does, how veryone thinks Rags to Riches is. I've seen two of her races, yet those races were her's before they started. They set up perfect for her. I can't see her as dominating this field, in fact I believe her stable mate is going to beat her. Cotton Blossom is going to run huge. She's sitting on a big one, her Oaklawn race was extremely good. Johnny V proved once again he's a slightly above average jockey, not one of the best.... Dreaming of Anna and Mistical Plan also have big chances, as long as they decide not to tear each other to pieces on the front, this race is paceless. Rags doesn't have chumps to run by this time around. These 3 gals will definitely make her work for it.
huh? are you serious? I thinking you're dreaming.
Can you explain what set-up so well in RTR's races, so much so that the races were hers before they started? How is 5wide on both turns a great set-up?

Coach Pants 05-03-2007 06:44 PM
I hear she's amazing. So i'm expecting her to run 5th.

herkhorse 05-04-2007 07:24 AM
I may be nuts but I like swift temper to hit the board or at least the super

ddthetide 05-04-2007 08:04 AM
looks like wet track today. think i'll change my picks abit.
i'll use High Again, won at the distance and on a wet track. Swift Temper 4th at the distance and won on a wet track.
i'll use them with Octave and Cash Included.

jdm 05-04-2007 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
huh? are you serious? I thinking you're dreaming.
Can you explain what set-up so well in RTR's races, so much so that the races were hers before they started? How is 5wide on both turns a great set-up?
pace collapsed inside her and horses weren't very talented.

zippyneedsawin 05-04-2007 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jdm
pace collapsed inside her and horses weren't very talented.

I can appreciate the effort to beat a big favorite, but the reality is that this filly lays over the field and will only lose if Gomez blows it.

miraja2 05-04-2007 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
I think this race is pretty wide open. I think Rags is a bit overrated, and there are 3 or 4 others here that wouldn't surprise me at all.
More top-notch advice from yours truly.

pgardn 05-04-2007 05:18 PM
I think Garrett Gomez was riding a very good horse and did a very good job keeping her out of trouble while not losing ground. Very well done all the way around.

And I would have not have bet her either. Do the math. When approximately 33% of the horses at that price win, and you got a big field on a muddy track. No way.

King Glorious 05-04-2007 06:23 PM
I've always said that I believe it's better to have $100 on a 2/5 horse that wins than it is to be on a 7/1 shot that loses. Maybe that's just me though.

Funny that Rags won this race easier than she won her races in CA. She should have been in the Derby. Been saying that for two months now. Too bad.

pgardn 05-04-2007 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I've always said that I believe it's better to have $100 on a 2/5 horse that wins than it is to be on a 7/1 shot that loses. Maybe that's just me though.

Funny that Rags won this race easier than she won her races in CA. She should have been in the Derby. Been saying that for two months now. Too bad.
True. Its just that people seem to forget that 2-5 that never broke well and lost. Its a long haul proposition. If the favorite at most race tracks wins 30% of the time... and the favorite averages a bit above even odds... you will find yourself quickly in the hole.

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-04-2007 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
She was a complete gift at that price. And I didn't bet her.
...and so was that exacta! :mad: same here DaHoss...didn't have it either :(

ArlJim78 05-04-2007 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jdm
pace collapsed inside her and horses weren't very talented.
umm, you might want to get some better pace information, and learn to watch races a little better. The pace was normal in those CA races. Also it wasn't so much that the other horses weren't talented, they just weren't nearly as talented as RTR. Hopefully you caught todays race because I think it should leave no doubt in your mind.

You said RTR wouldn't dominate, she crushed the field.
You said Cotton Blossom would run huge, she staggered home ninth.

ddthetide 05-04-2007 10:05 PM
i WAS playing to beat rags. i played 2-4-8-14 exbx. at the VERY LAST minute, i played ex 11w/2-4-8-14. saved me in the 10th race.

6th and 10th race ex's were the only two i cashed all day.

jdm 05-04-2007 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
umm, you might want to get some better pace information, and learn to watch races a little better. The pace was normal in those CA races. Also it wasn't so much that the other horses weren't talented, they just weren't nearly as talented as RTR. Hopefully you caught todays race because I think it should leave no doubt in your mind.

You said RTR wouldn't dominate, she crushed the field.
You said Cotton Blossom would run huge, she staggered home ninth.
Sure did, very nice run by the winner. My selections didn't pan out. Oh well. Congrats

todko 05-08-2007 02:44 PM
Rags may run in the Belmont
 
Here's the scoop -- read all the way down:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/84695.html

Now tell me that Pletcher doesn't think that maybe he should have run her in the Derby. He may not admit it publicly . . .

Yeah, I know . . . Beyer 110 for Street Sense and 104 for Rags. Tell me when you can make money betting 6 point Beyer differences Or betting Beyer figures at all. Bet any Beyer figure you want . . . last highest . . . highest lifetime . . . you name it and it is a sure way to the soup line.

Rags cooked a 1:49 and change in serious slop. Finished in 12.19. Didn't have a dream rail trip on a fast track.

That's a running machine.

I hope she runs in the Belmont.

Skip away 05-08-2007 02:55 PM
I hope she does too and unless something happens in a workout between now and then, we get our wish in 5 weeks. Todd and Mike are playing it coy, this horse is shipping to Belmont Sunday to begin preparation.

somerfrost 05-08-2007 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip away
I hope she does too and unless something happens in a workout between now and then, we get our wish in 5 weeks. Todd and Mike are playing it coy, this horse is shipping to Belmont Sunday to begin preparation.

Belmont a bad place to run a filly first time against the boys...in the entire history of the race, only two fillies have won...Ruthless in the very first running at Jerome Park in 1867 and Tanya in 1905 when the race was run at 10 furlongs! Strange place to try her...is Pletcher getting desperate?

ateamstupid 05-08-2007 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Belmont a bad place to run a filly first time against the boys...in the entire history of the race, only two fillies have won...Ruthless in the very first running at Jerome Park in 1867 and Tanya in 1905 when the race was run at 10 furlongs! Strange place to try her...is Pletcher getting desperate?
She's got the best 12-furlong pedigree of any of his 3-year-olds and may be faster than any of them too. If that's the case, why not send her?


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