He doesn't need it to set up, he has closed into soft fractions before. His turn of foot will put him into any race. I am far from worried about Pletcher having him ready. I will say this, WHEN CQ wins the Derby, he will NOT win the Preakness, maybe not even run in the race. Races take too much out of him to come back in 13 days.

"and what Haskin has to say about him"

he's dappled and and strong on the rein? he says that about everyone.

i don't think you'll find a quote on 5 horses in the derby that doesn't include one of these.

Scavs I really believe if he has to pass 3 here, 2 there, 3 more covering the rail and wider..., he is not going to get up. There are so many horses.

Huge set of gonads Scavs. But nobody can accuse you of holding back.

There is always some moron that will go fast in the Derby, I have no issues with getting War Emblem'ed or even going down in flames with CQ. It will take alot to change my mind. Everyone forgets that he has run well at CD, something that should never be overlooked. Which is why I like Zanjero also, I am actually considering a $25 or $50 exacta box with those two.

i think this years Derby is pretty clear cut, i am just waiting for final TG figures to come out, if I had to tout five horses right now they would be

Circular Quay
Zanjero
Street Sense
Scat Daddy
Hard Spun/AGS/Liquidity

Curlin = to the moon
Nobiz = style will hurt him and I refuse to bet Albert the Great progeny
Great Hunter = slow
Stormello = Give this horse to Pletcher and he wins the Derby by 10 lengths
Dominican = will use in the tri but dirt form sucks
Tiago = come on
Rattown Cat = COME ON TWO
Storm in may = thanks for the free table on Derby Day
Slew's Tizzy = can't win but might pull a closing argument and stay around alot longer then should
Xchanger = have no idea who this horse is
cobalt Blue = Come on THREE
Sam P = COME ON FOUR
Sedgefield = COME ON FIVE BIZILLION
T'berg = no comment

so fired up I am quote myself when I meant to quote Pat

Pat, I want you to watch how he just ENGULFS fields, it doesn't matter how many he has to pass, as long as JV times that ride right, and keeps him straight and his lungs hold, hello winner circle

Well I know everyone posted there thoughts so her goes mine. I think Dominican is gonna be the "wiseguy" horse. And I hope he proves me right, cause I will admit, that damned Point Determined got me.:rolleyes:

come on man, put down the bong.

the only serious wise guy competion to zanjero.

There will be a few horses at lower odds than smack diddy. I think Street Sense, Curlin, Nobiz, CQ will go off at lower odds, maybe a couple more (Great Hunter maybe, Dominican if somethin' weird happens) Why cant Scat be a wise guy horse!

If Scat is less then CQ then I will be betting Scat Daddy even harder, he has an absolute GREAT pattern leading in this race, GREAT pattern

You have a vendetta against this horse so you get zero comments...

Hoss, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that Curlin is the favorite, at probably 7/2. NO DOUBT in my mind. Crazy public wants this horse to win bad and won't let a bargin like a 7/2 favorite get away from them. NO THANK YOU MY FRIEND on Curlin. no thank you.

absolutely not, no vendetta.

nothing personal, strictly business.

refuse to believe such falseness

Vendetta Jim

If Curlin (7/2) takes that much money, there are going to be a number of people with horses they like that will be overjoyed. That does not leave a very large % of money left for a bunch of other horses. This will really be interesting. I cant see 7/2. I see Street Sense at a little over 4/1. The Brits would put it at 13/3. We dont like those odd numbers here. How about 22/5...