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RockHardTen1985 02-25-2014 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 967193)
You sound like Skip Bayless when talking about Westbrook. I used to watch, but I can't do it any longer. Those guys just spew crap to create controversy, it is never based in fact.

What part exactly is not true? I was wrong about Westbrook early on. I thought he was a bum. Hes not. He is a top 10 player in the NBA and a supremely gifted athlete. You don’t think he wants to be the guy? He is the definition of a combo guard, he a shoot first guard.

Cannon Shell 02-25-2014 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 967194)
I'm always amazed that people think a guy that can't play for a bad team can help a good one. Jimmer stinks.

If Steve Kerr can play a role on a good NBA team there is no reason Jimmer cant too

Cannon Shell 02-25-2014 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 967195)
I don't know, kind of just a younger Thabo if you ask me, with less size.

Pretty much but little cheaper replacement with a little more upside.

Duvalier 02-25-2014 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 967194)
I'm always amazed that people think a guy that can't play for a bad team can help a good one. Jimmer stinks.

The Spurs seemed to have proven that theory wrong more than a few times in the past.

Cannon Shell 02-25-2014 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 967203)
The Spurs seemed to have proven that theory wrong more than a few times in the past.

If a guy has a real NBA skill, even just one, teams will find a use for him. Fredette can shoot and has easy 3 point range. He really cant do anything else but that is his one skill. Supposedly he is heading to Memphis

Duvalier 02-25-2014 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 967205)
If a guy has a real NBA skill, even just one, teams will find a use for him. Fredette can shoot and has easy 3 point range. He really cant do anything else but that is his one skill. Supposedly he is heading to Memphis

Memphis could be a scary first round opponent if they can get into the playoffs...really haven't had any continuity with their team so far...if they can just get/stay healthy.

RockHardTen1985 02-25-2014 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 967206)
Memphis could be a scary first round opponent if they can get into the playoffs...really haven't had any continuity with their team so far...if they can just get/stay healthy.

Memphis is not that good, I dont think they could beat any of the top 6 teams in the West.

RockHardTen1985 02-25-2014 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 967205)
If a guy has a real NBA skill, even just one, teams will find a use for him. Fredette can shoot and has easy 3 point range. He really cant do anything else but that is his one skill. Supposedly he is heading to Memphis

Any player can be good in Miami, OKC, Houston. He would fit perfectly on about 13 teams. He can have a long career in the NBA.

Duvalier 02-25-2014 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 967208)
Memphis is not that good, I dont think they could beat any of the top 6 teams in the West.

They're not near as bad as their record. You do realize they haven't been at full strength for most of the season right? With that said I'm still not a fan of having the front office influencing lineup/rotation and game strategy.

RockHardTen1985 02-25-2014 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 967210)
They're not near as bad as their record. You do realize they haven't been at full strength for most of the season right? With that said I'm still not a fan of having the front office influencing lineup/rotation and game strategy.

I get it, but the West is stacked. Could they beat Portland, Houston, Golden St, San Antonio, OKC or the Clippers? I mean not to take a shot at you, but I think they would fair best vs Portland.

Duvalier 02-25-2014 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 967211)
I get it, but the West is stacked. Could they beat Portland, Houston, Golden St, San Antonio, OKC or the Clippers? I mean not to take a shot at you, but I think they would fair best vs Portland.

I agree, that's why I stated that I think the West is wide open and it's gonna come down to health and who's playing the best basketball going into the playoffs.

Cannon Shell 02-25-2014 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 967209)
Any player can be good in Miami, OKC, Houston. He would fit perfectly on about 13 teams. He can have a long career in the NBA.

Then why do those teams only play 7-8 guys?

Lets not get crazy. The guy is bench scoring and 3 point shooting only.

RockHardTen1985 02-25-2014 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 967213)
Then why do those teams only play 7-8 guys?

Lets not get crazy. The guy is bench scoring and 3 point shooting only.

Miami plays 10 guys.

allen
bosh
wade
chalmers
battier
birdman
king
cole
lewis even gets 17min a game
beasley
oden
plus they want to play beasley and oden more. so miami runs 11 guys.

OKC regularly plays 11 guys.

lamb
the kings servant
westbrook
adams
fisher
perkins
ibaka
thabo
jones gets around 10min a game im guessing
collison
jackson

Those are just the top two teams that I know off the top of my head. Im guessing the other teams plays more then 8 guys also, but Im not going to check up on it.

RockHardTen1985 02-26-2014 12:52 AM

Harden went off last night. Houston now 10-1 last 11, 13-3 over the last 16. Hottest team in the NBA right now. There schedule gets crazy over there next 10. They play at Clippers at OKC at Miami and at Chicago, they are home vs Portland, Miami and Indiana. This is just the next 10 games. If they get through this 6-4 I think they get the #1 seed. There schedule goes super soft after this stretch.

Cannon Shell 02-26-2014 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 967216)
Miami plays 10 guys.

allen
bosh
wade
chalmers
battier
birdman
king
cole
lewis even gets 17min a game
beasley
oden
plus they want to play beasley and oden more. so miami runs 11 guys.

OKC regularly plays 11 guys.

lamb
the kings servant
westbrook
adams
fisher
perkins
ibaka
thabo
jones gets around 10min a game im guessing
collison
jackson

Those are just the top two teams that I know off the top of my head. Im guessing the other teams plays more then 8 guys also, but Im not going to check up on it.

7 mins a game isnt really playing, it is garbage time and filling in for injured guys and in Miami's case resting players. In these two teams cases there are much better options for them in many cases if they had cap space to use which they dont. Teams have to fit players in who fit the salary cap, not the best player. See how many minutes some of these guys get when the playoffs come.

Cannon Shell 02-26-2014 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 967222)
Harden went off last night. Houston now 10-1 last 11, 13-3 over the last 16. Hottest team in the NBA right now. There schedule gets crazy over there next 10. They play at Clippers at OKC at Miami and at Chicago, they are home vs Portland, Miami and Indiana. This is just the next 10 games. If they get through this 6-4 I think they get the #1 seed. There schedule goes super soft after this stretch.

They are essentially 5 games behind OKC as it stands today. 4 games behind and 0-2 versus OKC this year which is the 1st tiebreaker. The 2nd tiebreaker is comference record and they are 6 games behind OKC there. The chance of them making up 5 games on OKC with 25 to go is highly unlikely and impossible if they go 6-4 over the next 10 considering that OKC has 2 games left with Cleveland, 2 more with the Lakers, a game with Philly, 2 more with Sacramento, 2 with New Orleans, a home game with Denver, Utah, Charlotte and Detroit. That is 13 games that OKC will be prohibitive favs in. If they split their tough games and blew 2 of these easy ones that is still 17-8 and Houston would still have to go 22-3 to make up the difference.

RockHardTen1985 02-26-2014 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 967224)
7 mins a game isnt really playing, it is garbage time and filling in for injured guys and in Miami's case resting players. In these two teams cases there are much better options for them in many cases if they had cap space to use which they dont. Teams have to fit players in who fit the salary cap, not the best player. See how many minutes some of these guys get when the playoffs come.

Of course teams tighten the roster up come playoff time.

RockHardTen1985 02-26-2014 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 967225)
They are essentially 5 games behind OKC as it stands today. 4 games behind and 0-2 versus OKC this year which is the 1st tiebreaker. The 2nd tiebreaker is comference record and they are 6 games behind OKC there. The chance of them making up 5 games on OKC with 25 to go is highly unlikely and impossible if they go 6-4 over the next 10 considering that OKC has 2 games left with Cleveland, 2 more with the Lakers, a game with Philly, 2 more with Sacramento, 2 with New Orleans, a home game with Denver, Utah, Charlotte and Detroit. That is 13 games that OKC will be prohibitive favs in. If they split their tough games and blew 2 of these easy ones that is still 17-8 and Houston would still have to go 22-3 to make up the difference.

Im sure you looked at the schedule 22-3 wont be out of the question. Its soft.

Duvalier 02-26-2014 06:31 AM

Finally...got #39

Cannon Shell 02-26-2014 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 967228)
Im sure you looked at the schedule 22-3 wont be out of the question. Its soft.

at Clippers, Miami, Indiana, Portland, at OKC, at Chicago, Clippers, at Toronto, OKC, San Antonio

You seriously think they are going to win 7 out of these 10 AND win every other game?

And that is if OKC goes 17-8 which is close to a worst case scenario. If they go 19-6 Houston has to go 24-1.

Lets put it this way....It aint gonna happen unless Durant gets kidnapped. And even then it is a longshot.

Cannon Shell 02-26-2014 03:02 PM

Bigger fan of the Cavs than PG1985?

http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_shpdfzab/

Duvalier 02-26-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 967255)
Bigger fan of the Cavs than PG1985?

http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_shpdfzab/

XXX1985

Cannon Shell 02-26-2014 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 967259)
XXX1985

Lol!
Granger got bought out
Looking at five teams: the Clippers, Rockets, Bulls, Heat and Spurs


yahoo says Clippers front runners

RockHardTen1985 02-26-2014 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 967267)
Lol!
Granger got bought out
Looking at five teams: the Clippers, Rockets, Bulls, Heat and Spurs


yahoo says Clippers front runners

Whoever gets him gets a gem. And he will be hungry.

RockHardTen1985 02-26-2014 06:06 PM

Is Vince Carter a hall of famer?? Career 20 4 and 5. A 3yr run with Toronto where he was a top 7 or 8 player in the NBA. I say, but I can see the case for yes.

Duvalier 02-26-2014 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 967267)
Lol!
Granger got bought out
Looking at five teams: the Clippers, Rockets, Bulls, Heat and Spurs


yahoo says Clippers front runners

I would've thought he'd go to the Heat to kind of stick it to Indiana since he was supposedly not too happy about being traded.

Cannon Shell 02-26-2014 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 967285)
I would've thought he'd go to the Heat to kind of stick it to Indiana since he was supposedly not too happy about being traded.

Who knows? Probably wants to go somewhere he will actually play since he is already getting paid.

Cannon Shell 02-26-2014 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 967279)
Is Vince Carter a hall of famer?? Career 20 4 and 5. A 3yr run with Toronto where he was a top 7 or 8 player in the NBA. I say, but I can see the case for yes.

I believe he is. He is an 8 time all star, was all NBA 2x, rookie of the year, should be about #25 all time in points, 7th or 8th in 3 pt shots made, has 800 more rebounds than James Worthy. Was a top college player and won at least one gold medal at Olympics. If he was a baseball player where everyone knows the counting stats he would be a no brainer. He might not get in right away but considering some of the ridiculous womens and Int'l players that get in every year he will eventually get elected.

Using Jamaal Wilkes as a baseline HoF player, Carter is easily in. Mitch Richmond should be in too.

Duvalier 02-26-2014 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 967288)
Who knows? Probably wants to go somewhere he will actually play since he is already getting paid.

Looks like the Heat are going to sign Caron Butler, so I guess that means Granger will probably end up with either the Clippers or Spurs

knickslions2 02-26-2014 09:19 PM

Cavs steal one in okc

Cannon Shell 02-27-2014 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 967228)
Im sure you looked at the schedule 22-3 wont be out of the question. Its soft.

0-1

rpncaine 02-27-2014 06:30 AM

:tro:

RockHardTen1985 02-27-2014 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 967300)
0-1

I think u know I was joking since I predicted 6-4 over then next 10. 18-7 close is my opinion.

Cannon Shell 02-27-2014 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 967312)
I think u know I was joking since I predicted 6-4 over then next 10. 18-7 close is my opinion.

Rivers used an interesting strategy last night down the stretch by using Paul as a decoy to draw Beverly who is their only non awful defending guard, and Collison torched Harden three times to close out the game. Granted his hand may have been forced by Jamal Crawford being injured earlier in the game but if they meet again in the playoffs I'm sure Rivers wont forget.

GBBob 02-27-2014 03:43 PM

Would Jimmer Fridette be a good pick up for the Bulls?

Cannon Shell 02-27-2014 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 967365)
Would Jimmer Fridette be a good pick up for the Bulls?

Couldn't hurt
They need someone who can shoot and have enough top defenders to hide him on the other end

RockHardTen1985 02-27-2014 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 967365)
Would Jimmer Fridette be a good pick up for the Bulls?

They are playing good ball. Huge win last night, I think they have won 7 of 8 with the only loss being Miami.

RockHardTen1985 02-27-2014 08:42 PM

Carmelo is playing good basketball tonight. I can't hate on him all the time. My boy Timmy Ice Jr is playing like trash. He is 1-8 and he is being destroyed defensively when he trys guarding Wade.

Duvalier 02-28-2014 10:26 AM

Granger to the Clips...Caron Butler likely signing with the Thunder now. The West getting stronger.

ateamstupid 03-01-2014 10:04 PM

25 points in 24 minutes for Thornton tonight and he played good D. Already an upgrade over Terry & Evans.


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