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Coach Pants 06-13-2011 05:56 PM

"Worry about your life. I'm awesome!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGbOCD9z6Uw

Delonte. Most of us don't have that problem, LeBum.

dalakhani 06-13-2011 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 784235)
You're projecting a false argument onto me. You're insinuating that I said everything in this series falls into the narrative of closing or tightening up. That's not what I said. I said the Mavs played better late in games and that's what decided this series. Whatever terminology you want to use to describe it is immaterial, the point is that the Mavs owned the fourth quarter in the series and more than anything, that's why they won the series.

Shrug off the fourth quarter performance all you want, but you're mistaken if you think Dirk didn't possess something that wasn't physical in this series that nobody on Miami had.

No doubt...the mavs outplayed the Heat in the late stages of four of those games. However we arrived at that point is subject to debate, but the difference in play was clear. Dirk played out of his mind and he proved to be one of the toughest players to match up against in the NBA.

Do you think the result is the same if Pat Riley was on the sideline instead of Erik Spoelstra? Not necessarily meaning do the Mavs still win the series, but do you think that maybe lebron and company play a little differently?

I know its speculation but its an internet message board.

dalakhani 06-13-2011 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 784234)
Obviously other factors contributed to the result, but in basketball, more than any other sport, the final stages of the game are of extreme importance. What you do when the game is hanging in the balance decides your fate in the NBA playoffs more often than not. The Mavs did just about everything right late in games and the Heat did just about everything wrong. The other angles are nice, but the fourth quarter performance decided this series. The Mavs owned it.

I think its safe to say Lebron played more minutes than anyone else in that series. In the process, he spent a good deal of time covering Jason Terry while Dirk got to cover Mike Miller or Udonis Haslem or whatever stiff the Heat threw out there.

Dirk got to play in a real offense that actually ran sets and got him shots in spots where he was comfortable (which he nailed!). Lebron had to improvise while being chased by three guys that wouldn't just "show" most of the time while playing in an offense devoid of any sets.

Lebron is still trying to figure out his role in conjunction with Wade and his other teammates. Dirk is the undisputed Alpha on his team and despite some of the new additions, they all know they have to play off of dirk.

Dirk is playing on a team with a coach that played for an NBA dynasty and has earned is stripes as a professional while coaching some pretty decent playoff teams. Lebron is on a team with a coach that never played pro ball and got his break because of his daddy.

Dirk delivered this year (unlike other years) and I was ecstatic to see the heat lose. I really do not like them and i think they set a poor example. At the same time, is it not fair to say that Dirk was set up a little better to succeed than Lebron was here?

ateamstupid 06-13-2011 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 784243)
No doubt...the mavs outplayed the Heat in the late stages of four of those games. However we arrived at that point is subject to debate, but the difference in play was clear. Dirk played out of his mind and he proved to be one of the toughest players to match up against in the NBA.

Do you think the result is the same if Pat Riley was on the sideline instead of Erik Spoelstra? Not necessarily meaning do the Mavs still win the series, but do you think that maybe lebron and company play a little differently?

I know its speculation but its an internet message board.

Not in LeBron's case. LeBron is an egotistical tool who goes into a shell at the first sign of adversity. God himself couldn't have coached a dominant series out of him after that Mavs comeback in Game 2.

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 784245)
I think its safe to say Lebron played more minutes than anyone else in that series. In the process, he spent a good deal of time covering Jason Terry while Dirk got to cover Mike Miller or Udonis Haslem or whatever stiff the Heat threw out there.

Dirk got to play in a real offense that actually ran sets and got him shots in spots where he was comfortable (which he nailed!). Lebron had to improvise while being chased by three guys that wouldn't just "show" most of the time while playing in an offense devoid of any sets.

Lebron is still trying to figure out his role in conjunction with Wade and his other teammates. Dirk is the undisputed Alpha on his team and despite some of the new additions, they all know they have to play off of dirk.

Dirk is playing on a team with a coach that played for an NBA dynasty and has earned is stripes as a professional while coaching some pretty decent playoff teams. Lebron is on a team with a coach that never played pro ball and got his break because of his daddy.

Dirk delivered this year (unlike other years) and I was ecstatic to see the heat lose. I really do not like them and i think they set a poor example. At the same time, is it not fair to say that Dirk was set up a little better to succeed than Lebron was here?

Your points would be more valid if LeBron James weren't a zillion times better athlete than Dirk. He can do just about whatever he wants on the court. And have you even watched Dirk play? The amount of easy shots he gets per game is maybe two or three. He works his ass off to hit impossible shot after impossible shot while LeBron is clanging wide open jumpers.

There's no way in hell Erik Spoelstra is to blame for LeBron's performance in this series. Not one little bit. LeBron didn't want any part of the ball for most of the series and he's rightfully being ridiculed for it.

King Glorious 06-14-2011 01:47 PM

The governor of Ohio made it officially Mavs Day in the state. So LeBron at 26 is expected to act with a higher level of maturity but the owner of the Cavs and an elected public official aren't? Makes sense.

Antitrust32 06-14-2011 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 784467)
The governor of Ohio made it officially Mavs Day in the state. So LeBron at 26 is expected to act with a higher level of maturity but the owner of the Cavs and an elected public official aren't? Makes sense.

They miss their state and local taxes??

ateamstupid 06-14-2011 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 784467)
The governor of Ohio made it officially Mavs Day in the state. So LeBron at 26 is expected to act with a higher level of maturity but the owner of the Cavs and an elected public official aren't? Makes sense.

All they're doing is pandering to their fans/constituents who don't like LeBron. That doesn't make LeBron's immaturity or myopia any better. I didn't realize 26 (after eight years as a professional) was still a baby.

Cannon Shell 06-14-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 780593)
Im taking Dallas. Miami is going to have a hard time defending the maverick perimeter shooter AND defending the paint against penetration by Barea and the size advantage that Dallas will possess.

Dallas, to me, has been the most complete team in the playoffs and have dominated two teams that I think would have been tough for Miami to beat. I realize that has nothing to do with THIS matchup but at the same time it shows the level of ball that they are playing.

If Wade were 100%, I think Miami would have a chance but with his injury problems, give me Dallas in 6.

Good call

Cannon Shell 06-14-2011 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 784467)
The governor of Ohio made it officially Mavs Day in the state. So LeBron at 26 is expected to act with a higher level of maturity but the owner of the Cavs and an elected public official aren't? Makes sense.

Have you ever been to Ohio?

You'd undrstand if you had.

King Glorious 06-14-2011 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 784495)
All they're doing is pandering to their fans/constituents who don't like LeBron. That doesn't make LeBron's immaturity or myopia any better. I didn't realize 26 (after eight years as a professional) was still a baby.

There's no excuse for either. I'm definitely not making one for James but I do think that if people are going to call him out, something should be mentioned about the people that are supposed to be held to a higher standard. At least I think so.

Dahoss 06-14-2011 04:22 PM

You're not trying to make an excuse for Lebrick? You've been doing it for pages now.

King Glorious 06-14-2011 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 784520)
You're not trying to make an excuse for Lebrick? You've been doing it for pages now.

If that's how you see it. I recall saying how he's been disappointing and hasn't come close to reaching expectations. I think there are reasons for some of his actions and behaviors but I don't think that's the same as excuses. Sometimes, I think that we as normal people, expect others to act and do things in a normal way when sometimes, the reality is that they've never lived a normal life. That's not making an excuse and yes, there are others that go through situations similar to theirs that handle things better. But everyone isn't the same. Jordan never had to go through a lot of the stuff James does now. The media was very different then and exposure was nowhere near what it is now. Guys like Kobe and LeBron face far more scrutiny than Jordan did. While Jordan was getting cut from the varsity, LeBron was on the cover of Sports Illustrated. While Jordan was considering colleges, Bryant was taking the singer Brandy to his prom with news cameras following. I would like to sit here and say how I would do things or how someone else should do things but I just think that without living in that reality, I don't think it's fair to say how I would have done it.

Anyway, if that's defending him in your eyes, I can't stop you from feeling that way.

horseofcourse 06-14-2011 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 784467)
The governor of Ohio made it officially Mavs Day in the state. So LeBron at 26 is expected to act with a higher level of maturity but the owner of the Cavs and an elected public official aren't? Makes sense.

As a native of northeastern Ohio, this is an absolute embarrasment, but you're talking about Kasich, a pure and complete disgrace to humanity. He in all honesty makes LeBron James look like Mother Teresa. Gilbert wanted to re-sign LeBron 100 percent and went after him 100 percent. He's simply playing the part of the jilted girl friend is all. If only all Cleveland fans were as mature as me!! :):D:):D

Dahoss 06-14-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 784526)
If that's how you see it. I recall saying how he's been disappointing and hasn't come close to reaching expectations. I think there are reasons for some of his actions and behaviors but I don't think that's the same as excuses. Sometimes, I think that we as normal people, expect others to act and do things in a normal way when sometimes, the reality is that they've never lived a normal life. That's not making an excuse and yes, there are others that go through situations similar to theirs that handle things better. But everyone isn't the same. Jordan never had to go through a lot of the stuff James does now. The media was very different then and exposure was nowhere near what it is now. Guys like Kobe and LeBron face far more scrutiny than Jordan did. While Jordan was getting cut from the varsity, LeBron was on the cover of Sports Illustrated. While Jordan was considering colleges, Bryant was taking the singer Brandy to his prom with news cameras following. I would like to sit here and say how I would do things or how someone else should do things but I just think that without living in that reality, I don't think it's fair to say how I would have done it.

Anyway, if that's defending him in your eyes, I can't stop you from feeling that way.

And I can't stop you from being an apologist. I also can't stop you from blindly defending the guys you have a habit of blindly defending. It's weird, before the series you talked about how your 2 favorite players were Lebron and Dirk.

Not a word about Dirk out of you since the series has been over, but a hell of a lot of Lebron defending. Wonder why.

Poor Lebron, he was born with a gift and he's had attention on him because of it. I really feel for him.

King Glorious 06-14-2011 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 784543)
And I can't stop you from being an apologist. I also can't stop you from blindly defending the guys you have a habit of blindly defending. It's weird, before the series you talked about how your 2 favorite players were Lebron and Dirk.

Not a word about Dirk out of you since the series has been over, but a hell of a lot of Lebron defending. Wonder why.

Poor Lebron, he was born with a gift and he's had attention on him because of it. I really feel for him.

Ok. I defend him because I love him and would like to have his babies.

clyde 06-17-2011 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 784225)
What is there to admit? I had the Mavs in 6. Its too simplistic to say that an entire team "tightened up" in every game in the final six minutes with the exception of the two games they won. How does that really make any sense? How does Dwyane Wade tightening up make any sense?

Dirk was lights out. So was Terry for that matter in the last few games. If I am reading you right, the final six minutes is all that mattered and the mavs were better for more games during the final six minutes than the heat were and that is because they are better "closers". Is that right? And does that make sense to someone like yourself who obviously understands the game?

The closing is just the product of what happened during the beginning and middle games. Same with football, boxing, chess or any other game that tests stamina of the mind and/or body. Only an idiot would deny this indelible truth.;)


Fine work,Dahla-kins.


I rode your coattails to victory....thanks so much.

clyde 06-17-2011 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 784548)
Ok. I defend him because I love him and would like to have his babies.



I found this highly amusing....exquisite work.


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