And you believed that Catholics were not Christians when he stated this.
California Cataract bonging I suspect.

I'm falling in love with Dannie.

They were looking at a $500k house?

You are telling me that $250k families should have taxes raised then you give this example? Maybe they should find a "modest" house with less bedrooms in a cheaper neighborhood.

A 500K house is not middle class in San Antonio.
We must adjust regionally I suspect.

Family of 4...4 bedrooms? Hubby and wife have seperate rooms? Buy a smaller, more affordable townhome, with only 3 bedrooms. Thats at least $1000 less a month there, right?

Two car payments?? Get ride of one payment and pay cash for a much cheaper reliable car. There is another $300 a month.

$1,300 a month in the blink of an eye....just with those two sacrafices alone. What is wrong with that picture?


And you didnt call me out asking about kids. I took no offense. I was married for a while with a stepdaughter, so I am well aware of the economics that go into raising kids, etc..

exactly the reason we moved from that area. we make that money down here with a house payment 1/7th of that. why do you live in arkansas people ask. cause we've got it made down here, that's why!

There is no tax plan available that would help 95% of the population. that alone is where you stop reading.

i took it all along that he meant not all christians are catholics. presumably all catholics are christians on the other hand...

Christians are rarely Muslims....

a lot of people are house poor. they put all their income in the house, nothing left to furnish it with...and no vacations, can't afford it. but hey, nice house.

true, true. but i find that many christians are rarely christian.

factcheck.org

as an aside, do you get a buck every time you put that up or something?

Not in my neighborhood either. We must not live in the proper regions.:(

I think that's called "living within your budget". Unique concept.

10 cents

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Nun rap across the knuckles
"Charles, you are drooling on your Bible."

bite your tongue, woman! it's called get credit cards. or get a line of credit based on the equity in your home, it's great. :rolleyes:

Okay so lets back out 1300 dollars. fine. Monthly outlay is still 3200 before we even get started. How far does that go?

These are teachers. Professionals with degrees that are priced out of living a middle class life in many areas. This is the problem and thats in the public sector. Look at how it is in the private sector where wages are going nowhere.

And would that be like that if wages had risen with productivity the way the Reagan doctrine claimed it would?

Sorry. I must be old-fashioned. I don't live on credit cards. But then I think I also live in one of the "stupid and miserly" regions.

500k in fairfax county will barely get you a single family in the outlying areas. Indeed it is middle class.

I agree with the regional adjustment part.

you're asking the wrong person. i have no credit cards and only have my mortgage, no equity line, no second mortgage, etc.
house payment, car payment, utilities. i was saying that to Riley tongue in cheek, which is why i had the :rolleyes:

Dont stray far from the tree on my account.

$1,300 a month plus the previous $1,500 a month left over from the previous scenario = $2,800

If they can't get by on that, it seems to me they need to give up that nose candy:eek:

Obviously was a joke. How often do people like this eat out every week? That adds up real quick, not to mention the gas burned driving out to eat. Does the husband or wife work a 2nd job on the weekend? Tutor part time to make extra $$??

Everyone wants a little bit better than what they can actually afford. Too many people worried about keeping up with the Jones.

I have no debt either but at the same time i do realize that people arent so fortunate and that other people have other hills to climb.

I chose a field and a life that has provided decent financial rewards (at least by my standards). Some sacrifice for the good of the community. Others simply aren't so fortunate.

you have a great balance sheet..ripe for a hostile takeover ;)

Riley got it. Riley also only has her mortgage.:)

What other 1500?

I agree though that many live beyond their means and i see it all the time. These people dont. One of them works tutoring and a summer job and the wife stays home with the kids when not teaching. Which brings us to the biggest expense-affordable childcare.

You have to live in the area to understand how inflated the prices are.

I prefer the tree to what I'm seeing here.

i grew up in that area, we all bailed. four of us and my parents. scattered to the four winds. it really is outrageous up there, i think only cali and hawaii have higher property values.

I just fell out of love with Dannie.



And myself.


I'm leaving.

This is from your post #996 in this thread

Gross income 9k per month

Car payments= 600 per month.

student loans= 300 per month.

mortgage payment=3500 per month

Credit card debt= zero



lets do the math here GPK. 9k gross means they are taking home about 6000 per month. Debts equal 4500 per month. Now add utitlies, phone, insurance, food, gas, etc.

This is the middle class in our area. What is wrong with this picture?

That $1,500 plus the other $1,300 we deducted from a smaller house/townhome and reducing 1 car payment = $2,800

I have a ton of my contempararies that live in the Northern Va/Washington DC area. I used to travel to that area alot for business, so I have a fairly good idea how the cost of living is up there.

Exactly how many places are considered middle class with 500k homes?

No, not at birth.You're up in arms about it, but you are both living in redneck states.You can't escape the backwards economic thinking that white trash have. Look at where that simple thinking white trash Jeff Kent made a beeline for when he went to make home for his family....TEXAS!! You have said repeatedly that it doesn't help the middle class if you redistribute the wealth. Well, we've been doing it a long time. It does strengthen the middleclass. If we didn't do it, you would just see rich and poor. You are all hot n' bothered about taxing your rich doctor friends. So, go the other way and get rid of the taxes on the middle class. That's who needs help in this country. The main reason we have all these problems for the middle class is the rich don't want to pay anybody much. So, they don't, and yet they want a civilized society (somehow,) and so what they refuse to pay in salary and benefits is paid in taxes. You can btch all ya want about it, but if ya didn't have a progressive tax system( the wealth redistribution you say doesn't work,) then this country would be a sh-i-thole.

One option is clearly to move.
That family could make it easy in many places.
Including the stupid, miserly regions of Texas and Arkansas.
They would have no problem living where I live.

Scuds of course thinks San Antonio is akin to Ankara, Turkey.
Having never visited he knows.

Honestly the example you give is hardly typical. These people are screwed not because the rich are keeping them down. They are screwed by living in an extremely expensive area. I just dont what exactly this shows except you better be damn rich to live in Fairfax county

When you move back to the US you can talk

Okay, lets look at the national median household income then and check out the cost of living for a family of four. Are things that much different?

Lets say you cut the sales price down to 300k. Your monthly payment is still going to be 2300 dollars. And remember, the median income will be LESS than my example.