OKC floundered because they ran into a better team. A team with 2 first ballot Hall of Famers, you and I both agree Bosh will be, and Ray Allen is first ballot. Plus Lebron is the best ever. They just played a better team. It was not Hardens fault.

Based on what exactly? New Orleans and the Clippers rich tradition of winning and his failure to singlehandedly catapult them into model organzations like San Antonio and Miami?

You think if we subbed him for Tony Parker that SA doesnt win a few of those titles?

Most of his best games with the Rockets seem to come in losses as well. He is very selfish in close games, and aside from his defense, it is his biggest shortcoming.

The thought that championships are the only way to measure someone historically is the single dumbest thing in sports.

How does he compare to Ewing and Barkley...you know, the selfish scorers with no rings you brought up earlier?

People forget how close all those games were until Game 5. Harden killed the Thunder in 3 and 4. Average games by him and they probably win one or both. Pretty sure he was bad in the Game 1 too, and then had the nerve to complain about his playing time and number of shots in the locker room after a victory. He didn't make many friends that day.

Ray Allen wasn't on that team.

See my post to Chuck. People act like Miami steamrolled OKC, when that is very far from the truth.

I brought them up in comparision to Melo and I also said thats fine. Nothing wrong with being an all time great regular season guy.

Of course they didnt steamroll them OKC won game 1. Miami was the better team though, no? Maybe not much better, but Lebron was the X factor.

I'm obviously biased, but every time OKC meets the Clippers, Westbrook usually outplays Paul, or at the least matches him. So it gets old listening to how great Chris Paul is to be honest. Paul is obviously one of the top players in the league, I just don't think he is one of the 3 or 4 best like a lot of people claim.

Rivers is a good coach. Del Negro is not. Pretty simple.

Del Negro made so many obvious errors with substitutions and time outs that it is impossible to believe that there wasnt a lot missed that we didnt see. Griffin was as much of the reason they brought in Rivers as Paul. Basically Griffin had stopped listening to Del negro. VDN's playoff record is 10-19.


Jesus what games do you guys watch? Doc Rivers isnt a better coach than Del Negro? Robery Horry is better than Carmello Anthony? Chris Paul is incapable of winning a championship?

Lebron was Lebron, but what did the Thunder in was all the role players that seemingly could not miss a 3. Miller, Battier, Chalmers...

Like I said, every game except G5 came right down to the wire, and in games 3/4 Harden shot like 20%.

Who wins with bad players? Well other than Jeff Hornachek

No one is saying that but he clearly is a great player.

He is, but if they finish the season with about the same record and get bounced in the 1st round again, what does it matter?

I don't like players lobbying for new coaches, just old school I guess. Blake Griffin lobbying for a new coach is hilarious...dude has several flaws in his game that he hasn't improved much on. He should start there.

I prefer Westbrook and Curry all day over Paul. I like those athletic combo guys.
Russell has to get himself healthy. He is a guy I hated, but am now sold on. He is a super player.

It all started with Wilt and Russell. Russell was a great, great player but without the genius of Red Auerbach no one in 2014 thinks he was better than Wilt. Lot of those Celtics are in the hall of fame because they played on Boston and not Detroit or Cincinnati

Miami was the better team but in 3 of the 5 games Harden played poorly.

How about Gary Payton? Did winning a ring with the Heat legitimize him as a great player? I just don't think you can categorize players as great, just because they won a championship. Gary Payton was great with or without a ring.

What he's doing out there in Phoenix is really remarkable. It's going to be really tough to keep it up now with Bledsoe gone, but the Suns and their fans should be thrilled with the way that team plays...hardest playing team in the league.

Charles Barkley was a great player in the playoffs. He had some monstrous post seasons.