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alysheba4 06-03-2015 03:10 PM
AP over Frosted $8 exacta.

Mike 06-03-2015 04:03 PM
How do we gauge Mubtaahij? He does have a grass, distance pedigree?

knickslions2 06-03-2015 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 1029664)
How do we gauge Mubtaahij? He does have a grass, distance pedigree?
Mike I think he is too slow to win but may get up in 3rd or 4th

Danzig 06-03-2015 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 1029585)
A win against open company would be nice.
:tro:

Kitan 06-03-2015 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1029566)
You are being silly. Assuming he does win Zayat already sold the rights so whats the risk if he loses? and there are bonus's if he wins perhaps Travers/Haskell and certainly BCC. Not too mention that that purse for BCC is 3 million to winner. Why in the world would Zayat not need those dollars? Plus he apparently loves being in spotlight which he will be racing a TC winner. Baffert isnt shy about running sound horses and love MP so at least we could see him in Haskell although my guess would be that would better suite Dortmund
Dubai World Cup?

Danzig 06-03-2015 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kitan (Post 1029684)
Dubai World Cup?
Ugh

Travis Stone 06-04-2015 11:15 AM
I tried to get a respected racing colleague to bet me whether or not American Pharoah would race again if he won the Belmont. He thought he would, I was willing to bet he wouldn't... but his response was, "I'm smart enough to not take that bet."

I don't think there's a zero percent change he doesn't run, but I think that number is VERY low.

freddymo 06-04-2015 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kitan (Post 1029684)
Dubai World Cup?
Look anything is possible but please consider Zayat will not control the colts whereabouts after 12/31/15. ITS HIGHLY unlikely he will be racing as a 4 year old and I would think he will shuttle to Australia at least until AP's 2 year olds start racing. Maybe they will keep him in Ky exclusively? I cant say just guessing. If he wins TC Travers or Haskel and BCC. He has to stand for at least 75k a mare more likely 100 right?

Kitan 06-04-2015 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 1029585)
A win against open company would be nice.
But can he do it on a rainy day in Russia?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qrK5ZQnXc

FATPIANO 06-10-2015 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Travis Stone (Post 1029731)
I tried to get a respected racing colleague to bet me whether or not American Pharoah would race again if he won the Belmont. He thought he would, I was willing to bet he wouldn't... but his response was, "I'm smart enough to not take that bet."

I don't think there's a zero percent change he doesn't run, but I think that number is VERY low.
In my humble opinion, I do not think we will ever see AP race again,
1...Ins premium too high
2...Injury factor
3...chance of a loss

The risk of injury and risk of a loss, makes no sense to race again, there is nothing to gain, and a lot more to lose.

jnunan4759 06-10-2015 02:06 PM
I think he does the Haskell and PA Derby. There will be boatloads of money available and Monmouth and Parx have always been rumored to give "appearance" money.

Indian Charlie 06-10-2015 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 1031038)
In my humble opinion, I do not think we will ever see AP race again,
1...Ins premium too high
2...Injury factor
3...chance of a loss

The risk of injury and risk of a loss, makes no sense to race again, there is nothing to gain, and a lot more to lose.
Nothing to gain, you mean beyond potentially somewhere in the four to five million in purse money?

Or who knows what, another five to ten in incentives from Coolmore attached to winning key grade 1s?

They would also gain the ire of his fans if they retired him before he were to run again.

Dunbar 11-01-2015 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunbar (Post 1029563)
I think that's a reasonable assumption. What are you thinking, that he'll be retired regardless? Good chance of that, too.

I'd give an immediate 3-1 to anyone thinking he'd start in the BCC after winning the Belmont.
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1029565)
I'm in.
I'm glad you didn't pursue it!


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