Right now Notional is 39/1. Obviously that will probably change over the course of the day given his performance yesterday.
Two questions:
1) What do you guys think his odds will be by the time it closes today?
2) When does it close exactly?

It closes at 6pm EST today. The Oaks pool stays open longer, 6:30 I think.

About half the money will be bet into the Derby pool today. I'm (wildly) guessing that Notional will close near 20-1.

--Dunbar

Not gunna get 50-1 on Liquidity.Pretty much this thing is a loser deal.I mean, you can't even get odds on a horse who is getting beat.

Yeah, no way to beat this bet. There's that 16% takeout to overcome. Oh yeah, it's the same takeout as most races. I guess the other bettors must be too smart. You're up against some shrewd bettors, like those who have already dumped a few thou on Dreaming of Anna, whose trainer says she's now going to stay on dirt (much less, run against the boys anytime soon.) And then there's all the money that was bet on horses that ran yesterday before they ran, like Lawrence The Roman. Yeah, this looks hopeless alright.

--Dunbar

A little value in everything!!!
 

Check your cars ashtray or take back some cans & bottles for the deposit...if applicable, Just for $2 in change... Put $2 on anything and quite possibly in May, IF that horse wears the roses and you can hopefully find your ticket, there will be some value in cashing in an old wrinkled ticket, worth digging in that dirty ashtray, worth taking back sticky, raunchy smelling beer cans, for just $2 you might just win $40, $60 $100 or even more. Most people have a dollar and a dream everytime the lotto comes up 2 or 3x a week, why not as horseplayers we just have some fun with the futures?

AGREE...This far out,you need much better odds than these.Almost 90 days to avoid an injury.That's a long time for this breed.

F.P. rules!!!
 

Welcome aboard! The first of a trio...I hope of the "Hilltopper" gang.
All we need to get on board are The "Backwheel" & "AppleMan".
Once you post here...it becomes an addiction.
When those guys join...Myra's boys will be complete.
The "valley" invasion has begun! :cool:

The three from each pool (Derby/Oaks) that are worth a deuce -
ANY GIVEN SATURDAY, LIQUIDITY & RAVEL
BOCA GRANDE, OCTAVE & MISTICAL PLAN

Just stopped to see Yak and the new "Myra" this wasn't doesn't say OH NOOO!!!!! when I come in though, but at least they got a new machine.

Just plopped some $$ down, didn't take any cans back though!!!

I don't know about "Backwheel" and "AppleMan" though, we'll have to work on them.

at 7/2, the field looks like the best choice to me for the oaks future bet right now.

Who did you go with in the "futures" ???

I'm sure Yak was @ the VFW by 5:01 :D

I took a handful...
Any Given Sat.
Notional
Drums of Thunder-was coming hard
Great Hunter

Stayed out of the Oaks till later action, Never get to watch it anyways!

A good-sized late bet on Circular Quay has knocked the odds down to 12-1 with about 12 minutes left to bet!

--Dunbar

I am a fan of CQ, but I cannot touch him at that price!!

Ended up "Pletcherize" took Any Given Saturday, Circular Quay & Ravel.
& in the Oaks - Octave & Boca Grande ...just loved that Shug runner since the Spa.
It doesn't hurt putting a deuce or two on this bet...after all it is gambling :D

Liquidity ended 33-1.. Got down on him as Vegas is offering similar...

Liquidity was tempting, but I didn't go for it. I took a whole LOT of "All others", and a small amount of Adore The Gold, which I think also closed at 33-1.

--Dunbar

WHAT DID EXHALE GO OFF AT? Badly wanted to play him,but the trainer is just not a 10f guy.He gets my prize for best stride.

does anyone have the final odds? the site isn't working properly for me. . .

The site isn't working for me either. I believe Exhale was 27/1 with 2 mins. to go.

It was really annoying. The Derby "Final Odds" were up for a minute or two, then it switched to the Oaks' odds, which were still in progress. I tried to get a "print screen" save of the Derby odds, but it didn't work.

--Dunbar

Also, in the past they would show you the amount bet on each horse, which helped. You could tell whether a "5-2" was really 2.50-1 or maybe 2.99-1. And the old way had the horses name next to the betting number. This year was a major step backward in regard to presentation of information.

I think in the past the odds were shown by TVG. This year it looks like it was (mis)handled by Churchill itself.

--Dunbar

I agree, Churchill did a bad job this year, including advertising it.

I agree. It was a pain in the a$$ trying to remember the horses #'s or having to go back time and time again to match the names with #'s.

http://bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=37524


1
Adore the Gold
20-1
33-1
$68.00

2
Any Given Saturday
20-1
14-1
$31.60

3
Belgravia
20-1
29-1
$60.60

4
Buffalo Man
30-1
59-1
$121.20

5
Circular Quay
15-1
12-1
$27.60

6
Day Pass
15-1
38-1
$79.80

7
Dreaming of Anna (f)
15-1
53-1
$108.60

8
Drums of Thunder
30-1
41-1
$85.40

9
E Z Warrior
15-1
41-1
$84.40

10
Exhale
20-1
27-1
$57.40

11
Forefathers
30-1
44-1
$90.20

12
Great Hunter
30-1
24-1
$50.60

13
Hard Spun
20-1
10-1
$23.80

14
Lawrence the Roman
30-1
35-1
$72.20

15
Liquidity
20-1
33-1
$68.80

16
Nobiz Like Shobiz
8-1
8-1
$18.80

17
Notional
15-1
27-1
$56.60

18
Out of Gwedda
30-1
157-1
$317.40

19
Ravel
15-1
11-1
$25.20

20
Scat Daddy
30-1
44-1
$90.80

21
Stormello
20-1
40-1
$83.00

22
Street Sense
12-1
10-1
$22.80

23
Zanjero
30-1
56-1
$114.20

24
All Other 3YO’s
7-2
5-2
$7.20

Thanks, zippy!

--Dunbar

Anybody here take those 157/1 odds on Out of Gwedda?

I didn't even bet on Pool #1. I didn't even realize that it was this weekend because I checked the TVG website and they didn't even have it. I assumed that it was next weekend and not this past weekend. It turns out that TVG simply did not offer it this year. This is the first year that TVG did not offer betting on Pool #1.

hrtv seems to really be putting a hurting on tvg...i had hrtv on all wknd, i think it checked out tvg once or twice.

Looks like they put up the raw data from the tote system this year. That's pretty much how a racetrack gets it's odds and prices from the tote system. The video department usually spruces it up a bit when they present it to the public on the TV's.

I agree it looked a bit cheesy compared to previous years.

YouBet didn't offer it, either. I emailed them about it on Thursday, and they said something about "contract difficulties". It ticked me off, because I was counting on that to bump up my monthly average there.

--Dunbar

Took 44-1 on Forefathers and 33-1 on Liquidity. Not at all impressed with odds on other contenders twelve weeks out. Feel those two have a shot at not only making the gate but contending

as for why some aren't offering the futures betting, seems to be difficulties with the whole deal, so i can imagine they're limiting those who can offer it. when i say difficulties, i mean that horses were still being offered in the first pool that were retired-and then they had to go back and cancel on at least two of the horses.