i agree that he made a bad decision today for SURE. horse was head and shoulders above the others, why stick him down inside and wait for someone to quit in front of him?

but why ride him if he wasn't doing well? kieran could get anyone...

i don't see enough rides to know, which is why i asked. thanks.

not to mention scary...if that horse had lost Kiaran would have had every right to eviscerate Jara right there on the track

kelly and i watched, cheered him on! love to see stuff like that happen.

where in the heck did that word come from???:eek:

look for dettori to ride him in emerates..or maybee r hills

and i agree with that! these aren't CARS these people are driving. horses shouldn't end up paying a price for a jocks ego-or bad decision.

he couldn't win, so try to keep invasor from getting thru? i hope that isn't what he was thinking...

I was overdue for a ten center...

he'll be lucky not to have it happen anyway. took quite a risk-i know many will be waiting to hear how invasor is doing tomorrow!

Beth throwing out the biggies. I like it.

That was a Franklinesque ride today and a very impressive run by the winner.

I doubt Jara will lose his job b/c of this. His ride in the Classic and on Jazil will save him from banishment.

I am sure that Kiaran will castigate Jara. But I am sure Jara will imbibe information from this ride.

im impressed too Rand...im just used to hearing the obscenties she spews at me every other day:o

You mean castrate.

Maybe that too, but I mean castigate. Jara would be a gelding. Or maybe Kiaran will take it easy and make Jara a ridgeling.

I don't think Jara is a bad rider (although he used bad judgement today) but I think his ride on Jazil has been soooo overrated in the Belmont. The horse ran the exact same speed the entire race. Any perceived move that Jara was making was just other horses tiring while Jazil plugged along at the same speed.

Anyone that could make weight and hold on for the ride would have won on that horse that day.

They are wrong Andy---Johnny V wasn't on A.P. Arrow, that was Kent D.

agree, a horse like that deserves the best jock, a top jock.
I have been holding my breath every race hoping that he wouldn't throw in a clicker, well he did today.

Personally I wouldn't worry much about changing jocks at this point. Its all the horse. Invasor would make any of them look like HOF riders.

That was Desermeaux who did that on A.P. Arrow....another one of his vintage crazed rides that he is only capable of.

Well, the rider of AP Arrow had more than a right to keep him from taking his hole. Of course AP Arrow didn't start running until he got to the outside but that's another story.

I haven't watched the race carefully. I'm still pissed Invasor got through at all as I wanted Zito to win a Grade 1.

Invasor's only loss was to....................Discreet Cat. Collision course in Dubai.

....and Testimony and Flemme De Passion. Somehow I don't think he brought his A game, B game, or C game that day.

not to often a word can overshadow the reigning horse of the year in his return to the winner's circle....

Jara has certainly had some big wins, but overall he has about a 10% win percentage. I think that puts him in the average (mediocre) category

but at the top of the 18 year old jocks list.....I think the kid is gonna be a really good one

Joe Talamo is riding well at the Fairgrounds and is showing potential as a 17 year old

eviscerate ( ) v. , -ated , -ating , -ates . v.tr. To remove the entrails of; disembowel. To take away a vital or essential part of: a compromise that.

thank you

Invasor could have easily lost that race if the rail had not opened. Seattle must havehad his heart in his throat. By far the best horse but that is not what the chalk players wanted to see... a number of people must have been stroking out.

he shipped up from south america to florida, and then on to dubai. and he did suffer a sesamoid injury at some point before leaving south america.
at any rate, much travel, and from what i understand, a trip from hell in dubai--and was still charging at the end.
if he brings his a game, discreet cat better look out!

why am i not surprised...

I am not talking about AP Arrow, I am talking about the 4 horse Chatain.

Thanks. I will go back and edit my post. Thanks for the correction.

I missed watching this race today... (sick kid all day), but I was just reading the trip notes and it sounds like Heanoldsalt had a rough trip too. How did he look to you guys?

Caj, hesanoldsalt and ap arrow put in grade 1 peformances. I didnt bet to win because even im not that much of a degenerate to put over 1k on a 1-5 shot to win. Messing around at Tampa Bay I made a few nice tri hits, and in the Donn I just put a 200 exacta with hesanold. and a 10 dollar tri, 2 dollar super. The only big win bet I made was on Naissance Royal for 600. So I had a good day at the track, meltdown was averted

Well---Kent D. put A.P. Arrow in an all-out drive, and strong left handed whipping...just to keep Invasor sealed in....and when he had him, you'll see him all of a sudden stop riding for a moment......it was very aggressive race riding...and was the cause of Invasor's troubles

Here's the replay... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2WkqdxHWbU

It's also on the NTRA site...

Invasors problems were caused by Jara thinking about splitting 2 stopping 100-1 shots. I dont think that this race was as good as it looks because of the trouble. I mean he accelerated past 2 stopping horses and outfinished Penna's horse who wants no part of 1 1/8th, Hesanoldsalt who lost a ton of ground on the turn, and AP Arrow who also was steadied behind the stopping horses and was actually under the whip at the 3/8ths while behind Invasor. The pace set up well for him and they did not come home fast on a track that seemed to be a tick or 2 fast. Not saying that he was fully cranked or trying to denigrate the horse but this was not some superior performance. It was a very good horse overcoming a bit of trouble while beating overmatched foes.
Feel free to blast me.

it's hard to really get a feel for the race because of how everything unfolded. obviously invasor should have come down the lane easy as pie-had his jock not made a colossal blunder early. says a lot about the horse that he came on again after that trouble-and also speaks volumes about the rest of the field that he took off so easy-you look that much better when everyone else is backpedalling.

that race shouldn't have had any excitement at all to it. here's hoping nothing is sore on him tomorrow!